Two speeding tickets on the same day!

EdGasket

AdrianC wrote: »

The kind of driver who might routinely do 20% over speed limits, you mean

Well that must be 95% of drivers then. Seriously on the 50 mile commute I am often the slowest driver and I am typically 20% over the limit in a 30 and 50% over in a 20 limit with a queue of traffic building up behind and those in front disappearing into the distance. My speedo is accurate as it agrees with sat nav.

[Deleted User]

AdrianC wrote: »

You were told wrongly.

The oft-quoted 10%+2 guideline is just that - a guideline. 31mph is illegal, and can be prosecuted. If you take it to court, you MIGHT be able to launch a successful technical defence based on the accuracy of the equipment. But, if you try, and you don't win, you will be facing substantial court costs.

Do you feel lucky...?

It's quite simple. 30mph is the default urban speed limit. It has been the default urban speed limit for the last 86 years, so you should be used to it by now. Whether you think it should be the default urban speed limit or not is irrelevant, as are your feelings on the enforcement. 30mph in a 30mph zone is legal. 31mph is not. 36mph is 20% above the 30mph limit.

Being nicked twice in one day, then being surprised by that fact and complaining because you didn't get the chance to change your behaviour after the first one, suggests that it's habitual and unconscious - which is getting very close to admitting driving without due care and attention.

Yes yes yes we all know 31 mph is illegal judge Rinder but in the real world no one gets done for 33 in a 30, no one gets done for 44 in a 40, 55 in a 50 and up to 77 in a 70. I know you can cruise by a traffic cop at 80 mph because I ve done it often enough along with all the others on the mway doing 85 mph.I ve spoken to Police often enough in my job Judge Rinder and been told so long as you re not taking the p**s we wont "do you " doing 35 in a 30 so get off your high horse and get real. Jeremy Clarkson often has made the true point that the upper limit nowadays in the outside lane is 95mph and judging what I see most days on the M18/M62 that is the case. You can t get out much if you dont know that is how the real world works.

AdrianC

<shrug> Never said anything different to any of that.

999 times out of 1000, you'll get away with being above the limit, so long as you don't take the michael - especially with Real Live Stripy Volvo technology. That doesn't mean that it's wise to rely on that, and it doesn't make it all-so-unfair-wah-wah if you don't.

Thurrafork

Really, REALLY banal follow up question now.
I'll fill in and sign these two NIPs that I received - obviously confirming that it was me at the wheel.
Though they arrived separately, do you think I should send them back in one envelope or two seperate ones?
It probably makes UTTERLY no difference but I just would rather everything was processed/administered as efficiently as possible. I suppose the potential difference is one person processing them both, or two people processing them in parallel.

AdrianC

I'd send 'em back together.

Sam_Fallow

I remember a news item from some years back where a motorist was caught twice by 2 consecutive speed cameras. The driver was given a fine for only one as they were not considered 2 separate offences.

A bit different in this thread as the offences were on 2 different journeys.

AdrianC

Sam_Fallow wrote: »

I remember a news item from some years back where a motorist was caught twice by 2 consecutive speed cameras. The driver was given a fine for only one as they were not considered 2 separate offences.

The average speed between the two would need to be over the limit, too.

agrinnall

EdGasket wrote: »

Well that must be 95% of drivers then. Seriously on the 50 mile commute I am often the slowest driver and I am typically 20% over the limit in a 30 and 50% over in a 20 limit with a queue of traffic building up behind and those in front disappearing into the distance. My speedo is accurate as it agrees with sat nav.

If you are regularly driving at 20% over the 30 limit and 50% over the 20 limit then I really hope you get caught enough times for a ban very soon.

jun_man

I'd expect you'd get offered a speed awareness course for one of the offences, but not the second.

When I did mine (which - honestly - is quite interesting, I learned a lot) one of the stats they gave was about why driving at 36mph in a 30 zone was more dangerous than you'd think.

If a car travelling at 36mph slams on its brakes, by the time it reaches the point where a car which had been doing 30mph would have been stopped, it would still be doing 11mph. Might not seem like much? As the instructor pointed out, if you've ever walked into a glass door, you'll know it can hurt. 11mph is about as fast as you can sprint, so being hit by a car at 11mph could have a similar impact as sprinting into a glass door. Ouch.

Car_54

AdrianC wrote: »

The average speed between the two would need to be over the limit, too.

Why? And how would that be calculated?