Unemployment drops by 60,000

Graham_Devon

However, there are some intriguing numbers to munch on....

The number of Britons in work increased by 278,000 in the three months to the end of December, to 28.28 million, while for non-UK nationals, the figure rose by 254,000 to 3.22 million.

That's a huge rise in non-UK nationals in employment considering the total population.

What's going on here?

Well the ONS says:

The ONS said the statistics showed changes in the number of people in employment, not the proportion of new jobs that had been filled by UK and non-UK workers and should not be used as a proxy for flows of foreign migrants into the UK.

Noteworthy are the figures for immigration are out next week and are largely expected to show another record. These figures appear to back up that assertion.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35594650

Oh....and it's all ruddy good news before my leg gets chewed off.

CLAPTON

we have 5-600,000 foreign nationals arriving per year

one would hope that most would want to work which appears not to be the case unless they work in the black economy

N1AK

CLAPTON wrote: »

we have 5-600,000 foreign nationals arriving per year

one would hope that most would want to work which appears not to be the case unless they work in the black economy

Your usual inability to think rationally when it comes to immigration continues I see. A more competent analysis would consider the number of foreign nationals leaving the UK, and the number coming in who aren't of working age or who are in education before assuming everyone coming in is dodgy or !!!!less but I knew such trifles wouldn't get in the way of your preconceptions.

As to Graham's original post, I don't think it should be a surprise that people who are able to move here are doing so given our comparatively good employment and pay levels. The fact shouldn't be a shock, whether you see it as a good, neutral, or bad thing is of course a different matter.

Generali

Graham_Devon wrote: »

However, there are some intriguing numbers to munch on....

That's a huge rise in non-UK nationals in employment considering the total population.

What's going on here?

Well the ONS says:
Noteworthy are the figures for immigration are out next week and are largely expected to show another record. These figures appear to back up that assertion.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35594650

You produce a quote saying that you have a bunch of stats that shouldn't be used to imply migration data and then use it.....to imply migration data!

I'm not sure where the BBC got the numbers from either. If you go to the employment tables at the ONS website:

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lms/labour-market-statistics/february-2016/table-a01.xls

(opens in Excel)

You can clearly see that the non-UK figure for Oct-Dec 2014 was 4,780,000 and for Oct-Dec 2015 it was 5,016,000. I think they ballsed it up. Whether by accident or design I couldn't say but they seem to have got the number very wrong.

cells

CLAPTON wrote: »

we have 5-600,000 foreign nationals arriving per year

one would hope that most would want to work which appears not to be the case unless they work in the black economy

for non nationals it says 3.22 million employed which is a little over 10% of all the jobs. Do they make up a little over 10% of the population?

CLAPTON

N1AK wrote: »

Your usual inability to think rationally when it comes to immigration continues I see. A more competent analysis would consider the number of foreign nationals leaving the UK, and the number coming in who aren't of working age or who are in education before assuming everyone coming in is dodgy or !!!!less but I knew such trifles wouldn't get in the way of your preconceptions.

As to Graham's original post, I don't think it should be a surprise that people who are able to move here are doing so given our comparatively good employment and pay levels. The fact shouldn't be a shock, whether you see it as a good, neutral, or bad thing is of course a different matter.

Do please tell us the of net change in immigrants
and the number who are not of working age
or those in education
A working to non working ratio of 1:1 seems a little high given our comparatively good employment and pay levels.

Only your own bigotry leads you to assume the worst in people.

cells

Generali wrote: »

You produce a quote saying that you have a bunch of stats that shouldn't be used to imply migration data and then use it.....to imply migration data!

I'm not sure where the BBC got the numbers from either. If you go to the employment tables at the ONS website:

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lms/labour-market-statistics/february-2016/table-a01.xls

(opens in Excel)

You can clearly see that the non-UK figure for Oct-Dec 2014 was 4,780,000 and for Oct-Dec 2015 it was 5,016,000. I think they ballsed it up. Whether by accident or design I couldn't say but they seem to have got the number very wrong.

Your link shows non uk hold 16% of the jobs.
What percent of the population are they?

cells

interestingly your link also shows that about 1 million of the 1.7 million unemployed folk have been unemployed for 6 months or less and another 0.25 million have been unemployed for 6-12 months

Using that info we can actually see that aprox 75% of those in the unemployed for 0-6 months category find a job within 6 months or less

So a large portion of our unemployment figure is actually churn of people leaving one job before going to another


Maybe unemployment should be quoted separately as unemployed for 6 months or more in which case the figure is 0.7 million or about 2% unemployed

CLAPTON

cells wrote: »

for non nationals it says 3.22 million employed which is a little over 10% of all the jobs. Do they make up a little over 10% of the population?

I don't understand that figure : taking generali spreadsheet as the raw data I don't see that there.

cells

CLAPTON wrote: »

I don't understand that figure : taking generali spreadsheet as the raw data I don't see that there.

forget that post look at generali link it shows ~16.06% of the workforce as non uk born

So if they make up less than 16.06% of the population they on average work more jobs per capita if they make up more than 16.06% of the population they work less jobs per capita

Generali

cells wrote: »

Your link shows non uk hold 16% of the jobs.
What percent of the population are they?

No idea. I'd guess a smaller part of the population. The census had 11.9% of the population in 2011 as foreign born.

This data set is very unreliable for looking at nationality. It includes people that don't declare a nationality for a start.