Advanced driving: IAM or RoSPA?

almillar

Doing regular mirror scans is not staring at your mirrors,

This is my point!

Well as you've read it and are going on about awareness and advanced driving. Having seen a hazard what does Roadcraft tell you to do?

That's the third time you've told me I'm wrong. Are you going to tell us all the correct answer? I certainly don't seem to have the book learnt off by heart!

Silver-Surfer_2

almillar wrote: »

That's the third time you've told me I'm wrong. Are you going to tell us all the correct answer? I certainly don't seem to have the book learnt off by heart!

Whatever course you did was clear a waste of money as you appear to have forgotten the basic principles of the system.

bigjl

almillar wrote: »

This is my point!



That's the third time you've told me I'm wrong. Are you going to tell us all the correct answer? I certainly don't seem to have the book learnt off by heart!

No your point was that Advanced Drivers and specifically Roadcraft don't advise constant mirror scans.

Which is wrong.

Advanced Driving isn't specifically about driving fast. But with good observations and awareness of what is going on around you allows you to drive at higher speeds whilst minimising the risk of an accident.

Please point out where Roadcraft advises not looking your mirrors.

bigjl

almillar wrote: »

You know nothing about advanced driving. You think your driving is 'good enough' but I bet it isn't.
If you did, you would know that it's not OCD, and you would also know that you don't look in the mirror every 3 seconds. That's the 'L' test you're thinking of. Advanced drivers will barely 'look' at their mirrors at all and will be using peripheral vision to see what's going on behind them, only looking when they expect change.



Good - this is the exception - you have developed good habits instead of bad, congratulations!

Just in case you forgot this is the post when you said Advanced Drivers barely look at their mirrors.

The system of car control is (from memory)

1. Information
2. Position
3. Speed
4. Gear
5. Acceleration

Information would include the mirror scan.

When I did my course they had just gone from using Roadcraft to the IHCD syllabus.

A mirror scan was expected every 5/10 seconds. To be fully aware of what is going on around you then you need to be spending as long looking around and behind your vehicle as you do looking forward.

Otherwise things take you by surprise.

almillar

No your point was that Advanced Drivers and specifically Roadcraft don't advise constant mirror scans

I never said that. My point was that it becomes a less conscious thing - like changing gear.

Please point out where Roadcraft advises not looking your mirrors.

It doesn't.

Just in case you forgot this is the post when you said Advanced Drivers barely look at their mirrors.

(me)

Advanced drivers will barely 'look' at their mirrors at all and will be using peripheral vision to see what's going on behind them, only looking when they expect change.

Do you see the quotes I placed around 'look', and the qualification I put after it? Did you and Silver-Surfer ignore the context of what I said on purpose, or were you just seeking clarification? You got IPSGA right, that's 'the system' and mirrors are indeed part of the information stage. It should be thought through before, during and after manouvres, and also at all other times. It's less intense, however, driving along a straight road in good conditions, than when about to change lane in the city centre.

bigjl

almillar wrote: »

I never said that. My point was that it becomes a less conscious thing - like changing gear.
It doesn't.

(me)
Do you see the quotes I placed around 'look', and the qualification I put after it? Did you and Silver-Surfer ignore the context of what I said on purpose, or were you just seeking clarification? You got IPSGA right, that's 'the system' and mirrors are indeed part of the information stage. It should be thought through before, during and after manouvres, and also at all other times. It's less intense, however, driving along a straight road in good conditions, than when about to change lane in the city centre.

I quoted your post above.

You said checking your mirrors every 3 seconds was an L Test thing to do.

Which shows that you feel an experienced driver doesn't need to check their mirrors very often.

You posted it, not me or Silver-Surfer.

Pheripheral vision to look behind then?

What are you talking about?

You don't even know what a mirror scan is.

The system of car control.

No1 is INFORMATION.

To put it simply

Eyes and ears.

One thing I can be fairly sure of is that you are not an Advanced Driver.

One thing I can be extremely sure of is that I am.

And you would not pass the course I did without CONSTANT mirror checks. Spending amost as much time looking behind as in front. That is called observation. You can't react to something you can't see.

You seem to think using your mirrors is only done before you change lanes or indicate.

Silver-Surfer_2

The old Roadcraft system went something like.

The driver having seen the hazard decides on his line of approach, he looks in his mirrors.

Given the number of potential hazards on the road, without even using the system to negociate them with further mirror checks. The mere fact every time you see a hazard you look in your mirror suggests you'll do a fair few checks.

almillar

bigjl, I actually agree with what you're saying, you always look around you. My point, which I must not have made very well, is that you don't look backwards, staring at mirrors, to the detriment of looking forwards, that's all. You keep quoting what I said, without actually analysing it, or analysing my explanation of it.
Let's just leave it at, advanced drivers do USE their mirrors constantly. And I am 100% positive that I'm an advanced driver, beating me down over terminology won't stop that.

Silver-Surfer_2

almillar wrote: »

bigjl, I actually agree with what you're saying, you always look around you. My point, which I must not have made very well, is that you don't look backwards, staring at mirrors, to the detriment of looking forwards, that's all. You keep quoting what I said, without actually analysing it, or analysing my explanation of it.
Let's just leave it at, advanced drivers do USE their mirrors constantly. And I am 100% positive that I'm an advanced driver, beating me down over terminology won't stop that.

No you pulled up londontiger for saying they are looking in their mirrors every three seconds, saying the rarely look in them. At times you could be looking every three seconds. Seeing is more important than looking.