Nice People Thread No. 15, a Cyber Summer

Pyxis

PasturesNew wrote: »

The two times I've now found it, in both instances they become double-barrelled. "Happy to take your money, add your name, but not REPLACING my name".

I guess that to be in a position of inheriting "great wealth" you'd have most likely already been "somebody, with a family name" - and keen to keep it.

So, of the two, both just went double barrelled.

Wentworth-Stanley http://www.thepeerage.com/p41070.htm#i410696
Sclater-Bacon http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1715-1754/member/sclater-thomas-1664-1736

If somebody offered you, say, £2million to £10million to change your surname to your mother's maiden name, would you? I'd be there in a shot

Even an uncle's wife's maiden name.

Heck, it's free money - who wouldn't!

For £1million I'd change my name to most things

Miss PN Chuckle Bum Burnt Fart .... Yep. I'd do that.
Miss PN Fartypants the Drunk .... why not?

There's no shame in greed if nobody's hurt is there.

You're right; I wouldn't care about daft/rude names. I'd be laughing all the way to the bank.

But what if the name you had to change to were Hitler, or Bin Laden?

It might cause problems at the airport.

PasturesNew

Pyxis wrote: »

You're right; I wouldn't care about daft/rude names. I'd be laughing all the way to the bank.

But what if the name you had to change to were Hitler, or Bin Laden?

It might cause problems at the airport.

Especially these days, you just make it very public what you've done. Traceability of "dodgy names" becomes the issue.... if they can clearly see what you've done/why, they'd then know and it'd stop being an issue.

Not that being in any airport ever occurred to me to be honest, even with money. Where'd I go? It's all furren! and nowhere's fun on your own. £1million's not enough to be in with a "rich party crowd", just enough to be pottering about financially secure for life.

Pyxis

PasturesNew wrote: »

Especially these days, you just make it very public what you've done. Traceability of "dodgy names" becomes the issue.... if they can clearly see what you've done/why, they'd then know and it'd stop being an issue.

Not that being in any airport ever occurred to me to be honest, even with money. Where'd I go? It's all furren! and nowhere's fun on your own. £1million's not enough to be in with a "rich party crowd", just enough to be pottering about financially secure for life.

Silly me! Didn't think! :rotfl:
I forgot about the furrenness aspect! :rotfl:

Seriously though, I always go abroad on my own. I have two particular types of holiday I go on, one a particular type of music, and one a particular activity, so I know when I get there I'll be with kindred spirits, and it's all laid on, so I have a fantastic time!

I've got two booked for next year!

vivatifosi

I have a conundrum in my family tree. A female line that are direct descendants but I hadn't previously looked into. My cousin had mentioned it before, but said it is hard to solve due to the workhouse element.

I have a,group of first names.. Solomon, Sarah, Tamar, which appear Jewish. The surname is one of those names that could be Jewish and anglicised, or could be an English name. However, some of the children also have less Jewish names (e.g. Ann). It is Ann I'm looking at.

However Ann was married in a church. Something clearly went wrong with the marriage, as later she and her child are living in the workhouse, he isn't.

Not sure to make of it really. I quite like the idea of my family being cosmopolitan and drawing from different cultures. I need to try to find records for her earlier than the marriage.

She lived in St Albans about 200 years ago.

Need to do more digging.

CKhalvashi

chris_m wrote: »

Don't think I've ever bothered to go there, DTs bad enough at times.

Or some of the EU threads, hence the unfortunate need for my sig.

I will stand my ground, but where in person I'm happy to give as good as I get, online people are very lucky

silvercar

vivatifosi wrote: »

I have a conundrum in my family tree. A female line that are direct descendants but I hadn't previously looked into. My cousin had mentioned it before, but said it is hard to solve due to the workhouse element.

I have a,group of first names.. Solomon, Sarah, Tamar, which appear Jewish. The surname is one of those names that could be Jewish and anglicised, or could be an English name. However, some of the children also have less Jewish names (e.g. Ann). It is Ann I'm looking at.

However Ann was married in a church. Something clearly went wrong with the marriage, as later she and her child are living in the workhouse, he isn't.

Not sure to make of it really. I quite like the idea of my family being cosmopolitan and drawing from different cultures. I need to try to find records for her earlier than the marriage.

She lived in St Albans about 200 years ago.

Need to do more digging.

Ann isn't that unusual as a Jewish name, usually corresponding to the hebrew name Hannah. Though I agree that, if you have one child called Tamar you may have been more likely to stick with Hannah. Maybe there was already a cousin Hannah in the family?

Sounds like Ann married someone who wasn't Jewish and the family cut her off. 200 years ago they may have never spoken again and not even known that her marriage failed or that she ended up in a workhouse.

PasturesNew

I wish workhouse records were online. They're something you have to physically visit an archives centre for, then paw through it all piece by piece yourself.

I've two workhouses I'd like to see the records for.

My widowed GG-grandmother dropped her five kids off at one and did a runner - you're supposed to stay there too. She did that, got arrested, into jail, came out and did exactly the same again... next time she came out she couldn't easily do a runner as she was heavily pregnant with my G-grandmother.

Also, one of her sisters, 10 years later, was in the Census with a new baby in another workhouse up the road - and the registered name's odd as it's registered twice with different names, as if she registered it then a man said "it's my child, let's go together and I'll sign my name". In the records the baby has her surname as one entry in the register and another name. In all the record sets the child is only registered once, but in the actual local records there are two distinct names listed against her name, which I've seen before where people have had/got two names. e.g. those local records would show previous names when somebody marries twice. The official GRO record online shows the 2nd surname as her middle name ... as often indicates a father's surname. But she and the baby both disappear after that Census, so I've no idea what happened after 1891.

So, in both instances, I want to see if any records exist of why they were admitted - and what their release documents say about why/where they went.

CKhalvashi

vivatifosi wrote: »

I have a conundrum in my family tree. A female line that are direct descendants but I hadn't previously looked into. My cousin had mentioned it before, but said it is hard to solve due to the workhouse element.

I have a,group of first names.. Solomon, Sarah, Tamar, which appear Jewish. The surname is one of those names that could be Jewish and anglicised, or could be an English name. However, some of the children also have less Jewish names (e.g. Ann). It is Ann I'm looking at.

However Ann was married in a church. Something clearly went wrong with the marriage, as later she and her child are living in the workhouse, he isn't.

Not sure to make of it really. I quite like the idea of my family being cosmopolitan and drawing from different cultures. I need to try to find records for her earlier than the marriage.

She lived in St Albans about 200 years ago.

Need to do more digging.

Tamar is a Georgian name, but IIRC is more common in Jews than in the population as a whole. Don't quote me on that though, but I will ask someone if you want me to.

Pyxis

CKhalvashi wrote: »

Tamar is a Georgian name, but IIRC is more common in Jews than in the population as a whole. Don't quote me on that though, but I will ask someone if you want me to.

Is Tamar from the same root as Tamerlaine?


I wonder why there's a river called that in Devon?





Edit... Just looked up Tamar. It is of Hebrew origin and means date/date palm/palm tree.
Tamar was also a Georgian sky-goddess.

SingleSue

In a bid to not think about whether he wants to firm Lincoln straight away or if he wants to see how the interviews pan out, youngest has started developing a new map on Counter Strike and drinking lots of tea...it's how he deals with stress!

It could be a long 6 weeks until the interviews....