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Parking charge in my own space by UK Car Park Management Ltd

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  • Marktheshark
    Marktheshark Posts: 5,841 Forumite
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    If you own the lease, they are trespassing on your land and causing you nuisance which is a tort in law and compensable.
    I do Contracts, all day every day.
  • catfunt
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    What an absolute burp of verbal diarrhea that "adjudication" is!
  • Half_way
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    Right, first things first, you should protect yourself from the PPC, complain to the PPC and tell them that you are rejecting the decision by the IAS, and that they have failed to comply with the ADR regulations ( search parking prankster+IAS+ADR) and use those points where they fail to construct a complaint to the IAS, ask them to name the assessor, and to refer this to the lead assessor for a fuilly ADR compliant decision.
    Also complain to the Chartered Trading Standards institute using the information on the parking prankster posts.

    Next complain to the management comp[any about this, and tell them that you do not agree to a private company running a business on your land, tell them what has happened, tell them that this company is dis reputable and does not provide an ADR complaint appeals service.
    You also need to tell them that allowing this company to operate is completely unreasonable and unacceptable, and that as their agents the management company is responsible for the actions of the PPC.

    Tell the management company that you expect them to instruct their agents to cancel this charge with immediate effect and that should the parking company persist in trying to contact you in order to obtain money, you will have no other option than to consider charging the management company for your time, at £19 per hour or part there of as you have wasted enough of your time in dealing with the management company's unreasonable actions in allowing a company such as this to operate on your land

    Also, to protect yourself drop something in along the lines of you never agreed to a permit scheme and for the avoidance of doubt you are not a part of it, You have or are only displaying a permit as a courtesy to the attendant. Also you are withdrawing any implied right of access to your property in respect of the issuing of parking charge notices.



    You were probably caught by someone who either works for the management company or a neighbor as this lot run a self ticketing operation where the appointed person will ticket your vehicle and will probably get a bonus for each ticket issued http://www.uk-carparkmanagement.co.uk/services/parking-management/parking-permits
    UK Car Park Management do offer a supply only service, how ever if you prefer we can supply & fully manage a permit scheme. With our in-house permit department you need not do anything!
    Permit schemes are provided completely free of charge when you use our enforcement services.
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  • Just found this on the UKCPM website http://www.uk-carparkmanagement.co.uk/services/parking-enforcement/self-ticketing :

    "Not only is the service free, you even receive £10 commission for every paid Parking Ticket!

    With 3 simple steps CPM will issue a parking ticket to the vehicle owner, using DVLA data and the postal service.

    Complete privacy! Not only is the issuing process quick and discrete, CPM also operates under complete confidentiality. Our parking tickets and signs have no reference to yourself, all correspondence are designed to make the motorist believe they have been caught by a CPM Patrol Warden."
  • Flash34
    Flash34 Posts: 15 Forumite
    Awful isn't it. I just hope that it isn't one of my neighbours or a member of the management company as I will be very upset/angry.
    I just don't know what to do to ensure that I am not liable for this charge - seems a lot of good advice out there but it's all quite overwhelming.

    I believe my next steps are to write to the PPC and tell them that I reject the IAS dismissal and they have failed to comply with the ADR regulations and get these from parking prankster

    Complain to IAS and ask for name of adjudicator and ask for it to be referred to the lead adjusticatir for a proper appeals process

    Write to the chartered trading standards Institute

    -Write to my management company saying that I don't agree to this company operating on land that I own etc etc

    Write to BPA and complain that this company has not provided me with a POPLA code

    Hopefully get the Popla code and appeal through this route too

    Sound about right?
  • ManxRed
    ManxRed Posts: 3,530 Forumite
    Not so much one of your neighbours, but pretty likely to be someone from the Management Company. It usually is, anyway.

    By all means write to the PPC as advised and tell them that you reject the decision. You could put them on the back foot by inviting them to issue a court claim within 14 days or consider the matter closed. That at least prevents them from running up additional costs purporting to be 'admin charges'.

    Don't bother complaining to the IAS - its a waste of a stamp.

    DO write to the Management Company as advised.

    Don't write to the BPA - this parking company is not a member, and doesn't offer POPLA, you've appealed to the IAS already haven't you? Its one or the other. Its the IAS, not POPLA.
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  • Coupon-mad
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    edited 10 February 2016 at 8:32PM
    You won't get a POPLA code. You were lumbered instead with IAS and would have lost whatever you said as they are PPC-biased.

    Do as advised by ManxRed, some complaints are not worth trying so concentrate on those ManxRed lists, that are worth some work.
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  • Ok will do, thanks everyone. I will get going on the above.

    They are a member of BPA, so how are they not allowed to let me appeal through POPLA? It's a minefield
  • Umkomaas
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    Flash34 wrote: »
    Ok will do, thanks everyone. I will get going on the above.

    They are a member of BPA, so how are they not allowed to let me appeal through POPLA? It's a minefield

    They are no longer members of the BPA Accredited Operator Scheme (which uses POPLA) - AOS membership is signified by a roundel logo. They are just plain members of the BPA which is more than a simple private parking enforcement operation. This membership is signified by the BPA logo shown in 4 blue rectangular blocks.
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

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  • Flash34 wrote: »
    It says in my lease to 'comply with and observe any restrictions and regulations which the company may consistent with the provisions of this lease make to govern the use of the estate and any part thereof'
    That is, indeed, a catch-all. However, the bit in red is important, and basically says that whatever they do can't conflict with any other part of the lease. That particularly means your right to peaceful enjoyment of your property (a clause which I hope is in there somewhere). What the PPC is doing certainly does interfere with that right. Further, such restrictions and regulations would not allow a third party company to charge you for not abiding to some arbitrary condition. And anyway, the PPC probably doesn't have a sufficiently watertight contract allowing them to do so.
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