Homelessness

pathtofreedom

Back to the original topic, it depends as well how old the person is.

http://www.centrepoint.org.uk/news-events/news/2015/october/30,000-homeless-young-people-turned-away

Under 35's already get a reduced amount of housing benefit which is only for renting a room in a shared house / b &b if you are single, or just don't have custody of the kids. The tories ideally want to stop all housing benefit for under 21's which would make even more homeless, especially those coming out of care with no family support.

http://england.shelter.org.uk/get_advice/housing_benefit_and_local_housing_allowance/what_is_housing_benefit/housing_benefit_if_you_are_under_35

http://www.theguardian.com/housing-network/2015/may/18/housing-benefit-cuts-disaster-young-people

Poppie68

pathtofreedom wrote: »

Back to the original topic, it depends as well how old the person is.

http://www.centrepoint.org.uk/news-events/news/2015/october/30,000-homeless-young-people-turned-away

Under 35's already get a reduced amount of housing benefit which is only for renting a room in a shared house / b &b if you are single, or just don't have custody of the kids. The tories ideally want to stop all housing benefit for under 21's which would make even more homeless, especially those coming out of care with no family support.

http://england.shelter.org.uk/get_advice/housing_benefit_and_local_housing_allowance/what_is_housing_benefit/housing_benefit_if_you_are_under_35

http://www.theguardian.com/housing-network/2015/may/18/housing-benefit-cuts-disaster-young-people

There will be exemptions to the new HB rules and I think care leavers are one group... I gather it's aimed at the ones who decide to leave home for a bit of 'independence' but expect the tax payers to pay.

pathtofreedom

Poppie68 wrote: »

There will be exemptions to the new HB rules and I think care leavers are one group... I gather it's aimed at the ones who decide to leave home for a bit of 'independence' but expect the tax payers to pay.

How do they decide that though? Who judges that a teenager really can't live at home any more, for whatever reason, just as the gov thinks they should. It will just lead to more hidden homeless and sofa surfing if they don't feel safe enough to go home to parents and can't quantify whatever the gov wants as proof as to why they can't. Similar to how many disability benefits are wrongly assessed currently, and the changes in pip for mobility etc currently.

RuthnJasper

It is with the heaviest of hearts that I rest my case. I would help each and every one of you in extremis if necessary.


But fret not, Guest101 and others, I would not expect the same clemency from anyone else. And I speak as one who fell suddenly, seriously and unprecedentedly ill four months ago; receiving the Last Rites at one point. But, although my life was saved in hospital, according to your argument I wasn't worthy of treatment, according to the initially-suggested list of "reasons" to take someone to A&E.


There is nothing more I can add. OP - I hope that this thread has not put you off from visiting MSE again - wishing you every happiness for the future. x

Guest101

RuthnJasper wrote: »

It is with the heaviest of hearts that I rest my case. I would help each and every one of you in extremis if necessary.


But fret not, Guest101 and others, I would not expect the same clemency from anyone else. And I speak as one who fell suddenly, seriously and unprecedentedly ill four months ago; receiving the Last Rites at one point. But, although my life was saved in hospital, according to your argument I wasn't worthy of treatment, according to the initially-suggested list of "reasons" to take someone to A&E.


There is nothing more I can add. OP - I hope that this thread has not put you off from visiting MSE again - wishing you every happiness for the future. x

This is where the problem lies unfortunately. the hospital is more than an A&E. You needed hospital treatment ( for something clearly serious ), but A&E may well have not been the best place for you.

I don't know, as I don't know your situation.

I have not said, nor would I say, don't help people. Of course you should. All I'm saying is the default podition that A&E is the place to go for all out of hours issues is partly to blame on the huge pressures in hospitals now.

A&E is not a waiting room, it's not a GP surgery and it's not walk in centre. However I will agree that better entry into the system is needed.

I'm glad that the NHS was able to save your life, because that's what you needed. I imagine those who cared about you would be pretty angry that a cubicle was not available, or ambulance handover delayed or... Because a person had been brought it by someone simply because of the cold. As a result you suffered complications.

SingleSue

Guest101 wrote: »

If you can get to A&E yourself, you don't need A&E treatment.

I made my own way (got a lift from my brother) after being told by NHS direct to attend A&E as I thought others would have a better use of an ambulance (a call for an ambulance had been offered by NHS direct but I had to get things in order for the boys first)....I had life threatening sepsis, something that was not known at the time of the call, only that I was having an emergency event.

My dad took himself up to the doctors as an emergency appointment, 2 minutes after arriving, an ambulance was called as he was suffering from a major heart attack.

As a family, we are loath to call an ambulance unless we are completely incapable of moving, otherwise we will find our own way there because we don't want to waste resources and someone else might need it more than us....we called an ambulance though when dad had his stroke.

Mrs_Ryan

111 are blinking useless so I wouldn't rely on them. Look at the desperately tragic cases in the news pretty recently of young children who died because of the failure of 111 operators.
On the flip side I was told to go immediately to A&E with a chemical burn when I phoned them to ask advice on what was the best thing to put on my skin when it was reacting a bit after a leg wax. I didn't go to A&E, I went to the walk in centre only because I suffer with severe anxiety and a heart problem and this 'diagnosis' sent me into the mother of all panic attacks and made my heart race. When the doctor sorted out my anxiety, he took one look at my leg and laughed his head off. What chemical burn, he said. My leg was a bit red and he said local reaction definitely nothing more. He was right- next day it was fine.
At my local hospital (Leicester Royal) unless brought in by ambulance you have to go through the Urgent Care Centre first and then if they decide you need A&E they send you there. Possibly not ideal if you're having a fully blown heart attack but if it's something non life threatening then definitely a better idea- they can also then send you straight to Minors or Majors depending on the nature of the problem.