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welshdent

izzybella16 wrote: »

I was just pointing out that without sugar the need for dentistry would be vastly decreased, without sugar there would be no decay...gum disease wouldn't set in without sugar.

I thought I misread you then ... sorry you are not correct. Gum disease very much is possible without sugar.

izzy, you seem to have a lot of opinions about dentistry and beliefs so you have obviously done some research ... but I am not sure that all of what you are reading is accurate.

FWIW I too agree think dentistry should be more preventive ... but then thats exactly the sort of thing I have been having taught to me since day 1 of my course.

It would be AMAZING if we had materials that gave the advantages of amalgam without the down sides. Gigantic companies have spent millions maybe billions trying to find them! The desire to do these things is not something we as professions and dentistry and a profession and industry are trying to ignore.
Yes sugar causes decay. Yes if we eliminated it from diets we would be healthier and have less dental problems. That is wonderfully idealistic but we do not live in an ideal world. Despite knowing Sugar causes decay we have masses of children with decay from excess sugar.
We know over eating causes obesity - yet we have growing numbers of clinically obese individuals. We know smoking causes cancer. People smoke.
It is all very well saying we should do X Y and Z to stop a b and c ... but when people still do those things we still need to be able to help them.

welshdent

izzybella16 wrote: »

''A diet low in nutrients'' What would a diet low in nutrients consists of? SUGAR!
Diabetes - Cause of diabetes? Eating too much food, specifically SUGAR!

Well thats not really correct. A diet low in nutrients is just that. Low in nutrients If all you did was eat chips and sausages you would have a diet low in nutrients yet low in sugar.

and for what it is worth, gum disease absolutely is not related to sugar. There are so many different types of bacteria out there. Some live on proteins derived from saliva or tissue fluids for example. Others live on by products of other bacteria.

This abstract shows strains that produce enzymes to break saliva down to the basic nutrients they need. http://jdr.sagepub.com/content/66/2/498

izzybella16

You never see wild animals with decay or gum disease and they all have perfectly straight teeth.....why? They don't eat sugar.

I can't have an argument about what constitues a good diet with people who dont understand the basic concept of real food high or low fat makes no difference.

brook2jack

Actually most animals do get gum disease. Loss of teeth is why many animals die in the wild and scaling and removal of teeth due to gum disease is the most common procedure after anal gland expression , in small animal practice.

izzybella16

brook2jack wrote: »

Actually most animals do get gum disease. Loss of teeth is why many animals die in the wild and scaling and removal of teeth due to gum disease is the most common procedure after anal gland expression , in small animal practice.

Carnivores can damage teeth hunting or fighting and herbivores suffer a lot of wear and tear but no wild animal suffers decay.

Small animal practice domestic animals fed sugar by owners.

izzybella16

Inuits eat diet extremely high in fat....no fruits or vegetables....no decay no obesity.

Toothsmith

izzybella16 wrote: »

You never see wild animals with decay or gum disease and they all have perfectly straight teeth.....why? They don't eat sugar.

I can't have an argument about what constitues a good diet with people who dont understand the basic concept of real food high or low fat makes no difference.

I cannot remember a time when I've been on this board that one person has spouted so much utter b%ll^cks in so few posts!! :rotfl:

As Brook has just said - gum disease is one of the reasons 'wild' animals - particularly carnivores - die!! They loose teeth, or get abscesses because of it and can no longer catch/eat their prey.

Ancient humans were just the same. Very little sugar in their diet. Decay was non-existent, but bone loss and tooth loss from gum disease is commonly seen in skulls from the period.

brook2jack

Inuits suffer from gum disease, in fact the traditional diet high in meat seems to increase the numbers suffering gum disease.http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fniah-spnia/pubs/promotion/_oral-bucco/index-eng.php#a31


Sorry TS the oldest fillings known are from 9,500 years ago , although attrition probably played a part.

izzybella16

brook2jack wrote: »

Inuits suffer from gum disease, in fact the traditional diet high in meat seems to increase the numbers suffering gum disease.http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fniah-spnia/pubs/promotion/_oral-bucco/index-eng.php#a31


Sorry TS the oldest fillings known are from 9,500 years ago , although attrition probably played a part.

That study is on modern Inuits on a Western Diet. Please stop making errors.

izzybella16

Toothsmith wrote: »

I cannot remember a time when I've been on this board that one person has spouted so much utter b%ll^cks in so few posts!! :rotfl:

As Brook has just said - gum disease is one of the reasons 'wild' animals - particularly carnivores - die!! They loose teeth, or get abscesses because of it and can no longer catch/eat their prey.

Ancient humans were just the same. Very little sugar in their diet. Decay was non-existent, but bone loss and tooth loss from gum disease is commonly seen in skulls from the period.

Find me one example of a truly wild carnivore losing teeth because of a reason other than injury.