Bathroom Install – Certificates?

TheCyclingProgrammer

Oh, forgot to mention all the above applies in England but I think Wales has more work that requires notification and I have no idea about Scotland.

Lungboy

TheCyclingProgrammer wrote: »

How many electricians will certify work they have not done themselves?

Quite a few? Two of the electrical bodies have official schemes for it.

e: NAPIT and Stroma.

fezster

I had building control involved when converting part of a room into a shower room. The extractor fan and downlights were notifiable, and building control insisted on a Part P minor works certificate be submitted. The electrician who did the work was not registered, and after trying very hard to have someone else sign off his work, I ended up having the wiring redone to obtain the certificate. Lesson learned.

bpk101

Before i go back to the installers then... is it essential that one of the 2-man install team is Part P registered? Im a bit confused on this point... does an electrician need to be Part P registered to carry out work professionally?

If they say they're not willing to produce any certificates, where do i stand?

TheCyclingProgrammer

bpk101 wrote: »

Im a bit confused on this point... does an electrician need to be Part P registered to carry out work professionally?

No, they need to be competent and able to carry out the work to the standards required by the Part P building regulations (which applies to all domestic electrical work).

If work needs to be notified to building control, they either need to be registered on a Part P certification scheme themselves or they can use a registered third-party to certify the work. Failing that, it needs to be certified by building control. This is all covered by section 3 of the Part P document:

http://www.elecsa.co.uk/Documents/Contractor-Documents/Technical-Downloads/Approved-Documents/New-Approved-Document-P_April-2013.aspx

In short, if the electricians are registered you should have received an electrical installation certificate and they should have registered this with their scheme who will in turn notify building control (your building regs certificate will follow). If they use a third party they should issue an EICR and notify on their behalf.

The document does state that the installer should notify building control before work commences if they are unable to certify the work themselves or appoint a third-party.

As I said before, even if none of the work is notifiable I would still expect an electrical installation certificate or minor works certificate (whichever is more appropriate) which shows that the installation has been completed and tested by a competent person to approved standards.

You really ought to go back to the original installers and query this with them if you have no paperwork at all.

gingernut352000

My limited experience is your work is part p and you need cert for each circuit changed so 1 for lighting, 1 for underfloor and I would guess 1 for the mirror my spark charges £50 per cent and they issued one and the company they register it with sent a second copy to show the same work

TheCyclingProgrammer

gingernut352000 wrote: »

My limited experience is your work is part p and you need cert for each circuit changed so 1 for lighting, 1 for underfloor and I would guess 1 for the mirror my spark charges £50 per cent and they issued one and the company they register it with sent a second copy to show the same work

If there are no new circuits, work in the bathroom will only be notifiable if it's within the zones specified in the part p document.

Ectophile

Lungboy wrote: »

Quite a few? Two of the electrical bodies have official schemes for it.

e: NAPIT and Stroma.

There may be schemes. But you may have trouble finding an electrician who is willing to risk their neck (or at least their public liability insurance) by signing off someone else's work after second fix has been completed.

They will have no way to tell the quality of the work that's no longer visible.

newbie1980

Ectophile wrote: »

There may be schemes. But you may have trouble finding an electrician who is willing to risk their neck (or at least their public liability insurance) by signing off someone else's work after second fix has been completed.

They will have no way to tell the quality of the work that's no longer visible.

im a electrician with elecsa and theres no way i would sign off someone elses work

i have been asked before and just decline

the work youve had done should have minor works on every circuit and only needs part p paperwork if its a new circuit or extension of a circuit within the bathroom