Can any Good Ever come of Reporting Bullying?

xapprenticex

glentoran99 wrote: »

IMO All bullying is covered by existing laws,


Your saying bullying can occur that doesn't fall into the law, I believe that situation doesn't exist,


If you think it does surely its easy to give an example.


Surely its not that hard?? Physical assault- bullying - gross misconduct regardless of characteristics of the people involved


your turn, give me an example of something that wouldn't be covered?

who cares about your opinion? who cares about my opinion? you've been given a gov website that states what we are trying to tell you which is NOT our opinion but fact but you're not having it still. you're stay with your opinion.

Thats fine too, it causes nobody any harm and you're entitled to believe what you want to believe and i support that.

maybe the other guy will discuss it further with you, im off, regards.,

burnoutbabe

group of people who just ignore and/or make fun of the new person.

No laws broken but its still bullying.

glentoran99

xapprenticex wrote: »

who cares about your opinion? who cares about my opinion? you've been given a gov website that states what we are trying to tell you which is NOT our opinion but fact but you're not having it still. you're stay with your opinion.

Thats fine too, it causes nobody any harm and you're entitled to believe what you want to believe and i support that.

maybe the other guy will discuss it further with you, im off, regards.,

Great argument... The website refers to one piece of legislation

glentoran99

burnoutbabe wrote: »

group of people who just ignore and/or make fun of the new person.

No laws broken but its still bullying.

Perhaps ignoring can be seen as bullying but you can't force someone to speak to someone else.

Making fun of would be harassment and there are several laws cover harassment, and depending on the 'reason' of making fun could be in the protected groups mentioned already

sangie595

glentoran99 wrote: »

Example please of bullying that would not be covered by existing laws? either in or out of the workplace

You were the one who said that it was nonsense that workplace bullying was illegal. It is therefore up to you to prove that statement. The rest of us are saying that there is no such law. It is impossible to prove that a law does not exist, because not existing is simply a fact - there is no law.

Please specify which law makes workplace bullying illegal. You said there was such a law. Tell us what it is.

sangie595

glentoran99 wrote: »

Perhaps ignoring can be seen as bullying but you can't force someone to speak to someone else.

Making fun of would be harassment and there are several laws cover harassment, and depending on the 'reason' of making fun could be in the protected groups mentioned already

It could also not be. There is ONE employment law that covers harassment, not several. And if the harassment is not demonstrably because of a protected characteristic, it might be "harassment" but it wouldn't be illegal.

glentoran99

sangie595 wrote: »

It could also not be. There is ONE employment law that covers harassment, not several. And if the harassment is not demonstrably because of a protected characteristic, it might be "harassment" but it wouldn't be illegal.

I purposely didn't say employment law, Harrasment is covered in other laws, for example if the person is being ridiculed on facebook (as happens) you have the malicious communications act,


As said it depends on the individual case, but to say bullying and harrassement in the workplace categorically is not illegal and theres nothing you can do is nonsense

FBaby

For one, it very much help if the organisation actually has a policy against bullying/harassing etc... It also helps if you can then actually evidence it. It is then up to the person to fight their case properly.

Evidence would be writing a diary with dates, witnesses, clearly describing the incident in details of what was said.

The problem is that bullying incite emotional turmoil, and when people get too upset, they let their feelings overule their case, which often ends up as a big fed up moan that can't be used as evidence of bullying.

I have seen a couple people sacked for bullying, but it took quite some time before HR could act on it without the worry of being taken to court for victimisation. I have seen more bullies leaving the organisation before they were disciplined, probably to go and start all over again elsewhere.

Dan83

I work for the civil service and bullying and corruption is rife, I know of 2 people who have reported my manager, 1 still works there but despite trying, has never managed to progress his career, the other was forced out.

I've had run ins with him and have always stood my ground, I get over looked for development opportunities and training course's, I always get sent to work in the worst place's miles away from home, but rather then reporting it, I'll bide my time, and when it comes, I'll beat the crap out of him

DKLS

Cotta wrote: »

With reference to the workforce I've never seen any bullying cases end well. Either the person making the case usually against a Manager etc leaves or the case is dismissed and then they have to go on working with their Manager is a more extreme situation.

Is it a sensible decision to report bullying? I have never seen anything positive come from it.

I think people need to be very careful when reporting bullying and always remember the primary role of the HR dept is to protect the organisation and not the individual.

I have worked at organisations that are rife with institutional bullying and often led by HR.