Title Deeds same as Title Register?

looknohands

I've just bought a house and have been told the title deeds will contain history of the house.
I have something called a 'title register' and also a 'title plan', the register just has the name of the previous owner and their purchase price / date, is this the same as a title deed?

I don't want to order title deeds if it's the exact same thing as the site i'm ordering from charges £30.

I'm interested in finding out when the property was built, can't seem to find much information online and insurer, estate agent and surveyor both have different estimates.

Doozergirl

They are the same thing, although the plan and register will summarise the old paper deeds. You will be given copies of the paper deeds for reference/interest, if they exist. If they don't, then there will be none. They aren't considered important once the title is electronically registered.

Which website charges £30? Land Registry charges £3 per document - so £6.

davidmcn

looknohands wrote: »

I'm interested in finding out when the property was built, can't seem to find much information online and insurer, estate agent and surveyor both have different estimates.

The surveyor will probably be the most educated estimate out of those - and the title deeds might not be much help. What era are you talking about, and how precise do you need? Council records might be more useful if the planning or building control departments go back far enough.

bobobski

The title documents won't tell you anything about the age of the building as the rights and documents will likely go back hundreds of years (they relate to the land, not buildings on it in general). You're better off going through the council's planning portal and looking at the planning permissions for the property which will give you a better idea, give or take a few years).

looknohands

There was a pub built on the street In 1850 and census record of the address in 1901 but the surveyor estimates the house is 1910 (which I think is close and trust his opinion more), the insurer said 1920 as did estate agent.

It was £30 for title deed from some ancestry sites but called a title deed, on land registry it's called title register and was £3. Its kind of superficial but it's nice to know what period the property is, as it is surveyor thinks it might be late Edwardian where as the 1901 census would suggest it could be late Victorian.

Land_Registry

Largely covered already and by the sound of the OP we won't have any specific old deeds documents. As posted we register the land and it's general boundaries so what goes up (or comes down) on the land is not recorded in a way that would always help 'age' a building.

We may have a list of documents lodged when the property was first registered which may list old deeds/documents going back several years but in most cases that won't stretch as far back as the early 20th Century.

Our blog article offers some hints and clues re your own detective work but I mention this only in case others view the thread as you have already done such research and others have posted similar suggestions.

And if the census refers to the property by address then I guess that is pretty clear re it being around then unless there has been any redevelopment/re-numbering for example

G_M

The ancestry site you are using will simply buy the Land registry title register and Plan and then sell it on to you at a profit. Hence £30.

Many properties, esp older ones, will have paper deeds going back years/centuries. Mine go back to 1850. These may or may not also be lodged with the Land Registry. They have 2 functions:

1) they may simply be of historic interest
2) they may contain covenants etc which are still in force (though in that case normally the LR register would summarise/reference them

But the LR Register/Plan will not show build-date. As suggested, try

* council records
* local newspaper records
* old cencus and other local historic records
* the elderly lady down the road who remembers her grandma telling her..........

bobobski

G_M wrote: »

2) they may contain covenants etc which are still in force (though in that case normally the LR register would summarise/reference them

Historically aye, but more recent easements/covenants tend to refer the reader to the document itself, presumably due to the sheer number of transactions which the Land Registry has to deal with.

With older ones, you hope they have been typed up on the register as some of them are unbelievably illegible. Happy days for those of us who have to read them...