Solar PV installation to be removed from EPC calculation

MFW_ASAP

rustyg wrote: »

Could the EPC be done prior to the commissioning date of the PV but still include the PV?
Let's say the PV company fits the panels on Monday morning and the EPC guy comes in the afternoon. He'd be obliged to include the PV in the EPC, wouldn't he? How would he know it hadn't yet been commissioned? He'd have photographic evidence of the panels so ignoring them would be difficult to justify...especially if the roofers had left some paperwork about the system size, etc.
Then the electrician comes on the Tuesday, connects up and commissions.

All this activity could even be squeezed into a single day. Who would know whether the PV was actually live at the moment the EPC was published?

No, the rule change has been brought in specifically to prevent this sort of abuse.

The point of having an EPC rating is to promote energy efficiency before energy production. Energy efficiency works 24/7/365 whereas solar obviously doesn't.

I'm sure even the investors on here will grudgingly admit that it's better to reduce energy consumption that to increase energy production. Hmnn, perhaps not though because they wouldn't earn an investment income then. I guess that's why I get attacked so much in here. I'm in the minority of people who are actually trying to be green rather than trying to turn a profit?

MFW_ASAP

zeupater wrote: »

No, because ....

(a) I believe that you live with your parents
(b) The investments are theirs
(c) We have no mortgage
(d) We have no debt
(e) Our property is also substantial.
(f) We have no money worries.
(g) We hope that our elderly relatives all enjoy whatever equity they may have - and expect nothing ....

.... so, being secure & content, what is there to be jealous of ? .... all I see is the continual ramblings of a self-obsessed character who continually tries to impress the naïve and argue with anyone who either doesn't agree or prefers to not worship at the altar of mammon .... the term 'Walter Mitty' comes to mind and I feel pity for anyone who needs to resort to living their life with so much anger, nothing else ....

I'm sure you think all of that, hence why you're all in my face about it. :rotfl:

Interestingly though, you're the only one ranting and you're the only one scrabbling around in old posts to find 'evidence' of previous usernames and posts.

I'm just quietly posting about my objections to the way the feed in tariff is funded and providing information about the closure of a loophole that allowed unscrupulous (your words) people from getting around the EPC requirement.

I'm then 'set upon' by yourself and others with vile personal attacks and made up stories to try and discredit me. I assume you're so upset because deep down you're all ashamed about how your solar investments are funded?

(and perhaps you all used this loophole too?)

legoman62

MFW_ASAP wrote: »

I'm sure you think all of that, hence why you're all in my face about it. :rotfl:

Interestingly though, you're the only one ranting and you're the only one scrabbling around in old posts to find 'evidence' of previous usernames and posts.

I'm just quietly posting about my objections to the way the feed in tariff is funded and providing information about the closure of a loophole that allowed unscrupulous (your words) people from getting around the EPC requirement.

I'm then 'set upon' by yourself and others with vile personal attacks and made up stories to try and discredit me. I assume you're so upset because deep down you're all ashamed about how your solar investments are funded?

(and perhaps you all used this loophole too?)

Talking about vile personal attacks I wonder how many people saw the message
you put on yesterday stating that "all PVrs must be under 5' 8"

I DID!;)

rustyg

MFW_ASAP wrote: »

No, the rule change has been brought in specifically to prevent this sort of abuse.

The point of having an EPC rating is to promote energy efficiency before energy production. Energy efficiency works 24/7/365 whereas solar obviously doesn't.

The EPC assessors will be rubbing their hands. An EPC is valid for 10 years and is required when selling or renting out a property.

Does it make sense to do one a week or two before fitting solar panels? It will be inaccurate within days so won't reflect the true energy performance of the property for the duration of its validity.

If I sell my house 5 years later, I either have to use an inaccurate EPC or commission a new one which includes the PV!

EricMears

legoman62 wrote: »

Talking about vile personal attacks I wonder how many people saw the message
you put on yesterday stating that "all PVrs must be under 5' 8"

I DID!

I also saw such a post and thought how stupid the comment was. In fact approximately half of the UK population are under 5'8" so it's hardly a point worth remarking

MFW_ASAP

rustyg wrote: »

The EPC assessors will be rubbing their hands. An EPC is valid for 10 years and is required when selling or renting out a property.

Does it make sense to do one a week or two before fitting solar panels? It will be inaccurate within days so won't reflect the true energy performance of the property for the duration of its validity.

If I sell my house 5 years later, I either have to use an inaccurate EPC or commission a new one which includes the PV!

Why would you install PV if you're considering selling your house within such a short timeframe?

If you don't want to pay for the EPC, then don't apply for FIT payments. If you want public money to subsidize your solar then it's fair enough to expect that you've met all the criteria. You can't have you cake and eat it (well, not anymore).

MFW_ASAP

legoman62 wrote: »

Talking about vile personal attacks I wonder how many people saw the message
you put on yesterday stating that "all PVrs must be under 5' 8"

I DID!;)

Sorry but you are incorrect, I didn't say 'All PVrs' anywhere in the comment.

I said 'Solar Boys' which is the term I always use to reference the solar bullies on here, who seem to have this gang mentality when someone comes into 'their board' and posts opinions they don't agree with (as evidenced by how they have attacked this thread, that I created to impart knowledge on a particular solar issue).

I always feel that it shows a weak character to have to stand with a gang before expressing an opinion. I'm happy to stand alone and defend my views.

You're not in the 'Solar Boys' clan (though with your post above perhaps you're trying to gain membership?) and so the remark was obviously not aimed at you.

tunnel

MFW_ASAP wrote: »

(as evidenced by how they have attacked this thread, that I created to impart knowledge on a particular solar issue).

I can clearly see my tongue in cheek post was lost on you

Cardew

zeupater wrote: »

Hi Cardew

I understand the point you are making, but the fact is that most(all?) energy companies will actively encourage harvesting sunlight to power domestic appliances and feed into the grid, and offer advice on the subject.

Presumably this is because it is better to generate power at point of use than provide expensive infrastructure to deliver energy over distance

Considering the synergy, the point being ? :)
Z

Touche!


I hadn't appreciated that power companies in UK did not need an such an 'extensive infrastructure' because of individual houses generating electricity.


Indeed I was under the impression that solar didn't generate at night, and sometimes not even during the day. Were that true it would of course meant that solar would make no difference to the loading on the power supply infrastructure!


Conversely I have read of the difficulties imposed upon the infrastructure caused by having to cope with intermittent power generation from multiple sources. Power supply engineers often discuss those difficulties.

nobby1963

MFW_ASAP wrote: »

Interestingly though, you're the only one ranting ......

I am sure there are many many other members like me who read your posts and feel like ranting too.

Personally I think Zeupeter and others have the patience of saints for being so calm in their responses to your obviously provocative posts.

I live in hope that you are removed from this forum so as we don't have to read your poison.

Nobby.