Solar PV installation to be removed from EPC calculation

jimjames

tunnel wrote: »

I'm talking of not wasting any of the energy I produce, you really should be more clear in your statements.

I think they missed the tone of your post
We use every last watt as well.

MFW_ASAP

zeupater wrote: »

On topic? what topic? ... this really just demonstrates how misinformed you are. I don't really care what you do as long as you stop posting misleading information which others could take as being correct.

Regarding the thread title and specifically " I was surprised when the new regulations stated that solar PV was to be removed from the calculations as I never knew they were in there in the first place!" ..... are you sure that it's the EPC which is changing as opposed to the EPC date having to be prior to pv installation, therefore ensuring that pv is not be accounted for within the performance banding calculation upon which the FiT tariff is to be based .... if so that's different to what the government and DECC think!

Regarding "As to your rainwater comment. I'm afraid you're misinformed. Your water provider will not adjust sewerage prices regardless of whether you have rainwater harvesting or not. If you informed them they would not care ...." etc ..... I just suggest you check this with your water supplier - for example, Severn Trent have a position within their scheme of charges 2015/16 document available here ( https://www.stwater.co.uk/my-account/about-your-account-and-bill/our-charges/ ) ....


But, of course, you have already been made aware of this when you were asking for input into your project ....



... so, when attempting to hold the moral and ethical 'high ground' it's a reasonable approach to try to only profess on subjects on which there's at least a basic level of understanding. There are plenty of individuals on this forum who have attempted to provide guidance in areas where they have relevant experience and are willing to share this, yet there are others who just take pleasure in argument, utilising a little knowledge and the approach of a poorly equipped wordsmansmith.

As for the #edit on the post ... fine, that probably says a lot. It seems that most have been 'playing the game' against one who has continually 'played the man' for years under many different profiles ... as for jealousy .... you're only a MFW, why would anyone reading this who's actually been MF for ages want to be jealous ? - I'm certainly not and guess that others aren't either.

Z

Jeepers! What a rant! :eek: I've really gotten to you haven't I?

Two quick points.
1. I'm not in Severn Trent water's region so their rules don't apply to me. I'm United Utilities.
2. I've been mortgage free on my two previous properties. I could be mortgage free now if I sold the farm and bought a standard 4/5 bed detached. It's not a huge brag to live in a 2 bed terraced mortgage free and scoff at the person living in a 6 bed farmhouse for having a mortgage, especially if their equity could buy your house three times over :rotfl: :rotfl:

As to your comment about how I got banned because of an offensive post... Mart also maintains that I was banned because of an offensive remark about him. Both of you are telling fibs to try and mudsling. Neither can produce evidence or even simply state what I allegedly said - because it didn't happen. I was banned simply because your clique doesn't like to be challenged. You don't like being told the simple truth that other people, many if whom are poorer than you, are subsidising your electricity bills.

Indeed, if you are mortgage free, then surely to God you could afford to pay for your own electricity without having everyone else chipping in to buy your solar panels and reduce your bills?

Shame on you.

ed110220

Seems odd that someone claiming to be a member of the Green Party is cheering on a Tory government in trashing environmental policies. It's not as if they're redeploying the FIT to things you supposedly support as they've trashed onshore wind, solar farms and the Green Deal (the latter was horribly implemented but would have been better reformed than scrapped). And all in the name of crude populism (remember Rudd implying solar farms are the reason why we don't have more British apples and Cameron's "green crap") and pandering to UKIP-type NIMBYs who believe that their god-given right to a view free of any wind turbines trumps everything else.

I previously pointed out that domestic PV can now be cheaper in terms of £/kg CO2/year saved than external wall insulation, so linking it to EPC makes little sense.

zeupater

MFW_ASAP wrote: »

Jeepers! What a rant! :eek: I've really gotten to you haven't I?

Two quick points.
1. I'm not in Severn Trent water's region so their rules don't apply to me. I'm United Utilities.
2. I've been mortgage free on my two previous properties. I could be mortgage free now if I sold the farm and bought a standard 4/5 bed detached. It's not a huge brag to live in a 2 bed terraced mortgage free and scoff at the person living in a 6 bed farmhouse for having a mortgage, especially if their equity could buy your house three times over :rotfl: :rotfl:

As to your comment about how I got banned because of an offensive post... Mart also maintains that I was banned because of an offensive remark about him. Both of you are telling fibs to try and mudsling. Neither can produce evidence or even simply state what I allegedly said - because it didn't happen. I was banned simply because your clique doesn't like to be challenged. You don't like being told the simple truth that other people, many if whom are poorer than you, are subsidising your electricity bills.

Indeed, if you are mortgage free, then surely to God you could afford to pay for your own electricity without having everyone else chipping in to buy your solar panels and reduce your bills?

Shame on you.

But that's where we differ .... I don't tend to get confused about who 'said' what and when. Apart from that, what about some of the other profiles which you've used ...

So, let's start with 'MFW_ASAP', a profile which argues on this thread and elsewhere ... then there's 'The_Green_Man'(?) a profile which argued on this thread and elsewhere ... then there's 'RenovationMan'(?) a profile which argued on this thread and elsewhere ... then there's 'Dithering Dad'(?) a profile which argued elsewhere .... are there more ? - I certainly suspect so and probably have a good idea who they would be!

Seems to me that morality and ethical standing has nothing to do with the posts we see, just an inherent history of greed-fuelled investment strategies and incessant argument ....

As for there being a clique on these boards - get real and grow up ... just because there are individuals who are concerned about issues which you either directly or indirectly disagree with doesn't mean that there's a clique or, as you constantly harp on about, the 'B' word, it just means that you're usually arguing outside your own comfort zone, where others readily recognise the naivety and errors in the argument and counter with valid logic. If the situation exists where you're in a (very) small minority and others are explaining how and why they disagree, then maybe it's time to recognise that there's the possibility that the issue is closer to home than everyone ganging up against you for some reason or other .... after-all isn't that the very situation which existed with all of the other profiles, whichever board the arguments took place on ?

Now, whatever United Utilities do, or do not do, regarding bill adjustment for RWH you must realise that the entire universe doesn't revolve around you and that others will be reading your posts and maybe believing them. Your statement was wrong, now you try to 'wriggle out' of claiming that "Your water provider will not ..." by, when found to be wrong, now stating that "their rules don't apply to me." ... more utter 'male cow pats' to cover up yet another error .... It is evident to anyone that if you are on a metered water supply and you are using harvested rainwater to flush the toilets then you will not be correctly metered for the sewage disposal service, that means that you will not be paying your fair share of the costs you incur, which means that someone else will be subsidising you, consequentially everyone else's bills will be higher, including those who are far less well-off than yourself .... now how does that stack-up with your moral & ethical ramblings against pv .... of course, now you know you'll keep United Utilities informed just incase you're wrong, or they change their charging structure!

Z

ps - a little pointer on equity which you should already be aware of .... it's (£value-£debt) and I'd wager that there are people currently living mortgage-free in terraced properties which are equally as valuable as your delightful 'Grade II listed farmhouse' and are therefore in a far better financial position regarding equity ... it's all relative ....

MFW_ASAP

You really are obsessed with and jealous of my financial position aren't you? :eek:

tunnel

zeupater wrote: »

It is evident to anyone that if you are on a metered water supply and you are using harvested rainwater to flush the toilets then you will not be correctly metered for the sewage disposal service, that means that you will not be paying your fair share of the costs you incur, which means that someone else will be subsidising you, consequentially everyone else's bills will be higher, including those who are far less well-off than yourself .... now how does that stack-up with your moral & ethical ramblings against pv .... of course, now you know you'll keep United Utilities informed just incase you're wrong, or they change their charging structure!

Ouch!!!!!!

zeupater

MFW_ASAP wrote: »

You really are obsessed with and jealous of my financial position aren't you? :eek:

No, because ....

(a) I believe that you live with your parents
(b) The investments are theirs
(c) We have no mortgage
(d) We have no debt
(e) Our property is also substantial.
(f) We have no money worries.
(g) We hope that our elderly relatives all enjoy whatever equity they may have - and expect nothing ....

.... so, being secure & content, what is there to be jealous of ? .... all I see is the continual ramblings of a self-obsessed character who continually tries to impress the naïve and argue with anyone who either doesn't agree or prefers to not worship at the altar of mammon .... the term 'Walter Mitty' comes to mind and I feel pity for anyone who needs to resort to living their life with so much anger, nothing else ....

Cardew

zeupater wrote: »

It is evident to anyone that if you are on a metered water supply and you are using harvested rainwater to flush the toilets then you will not be correctly metered for the sewage disposal service, that means that you will not be paying your fair share of the costs you incur, which means that someone else will be subsidising you, consequentially everyone else's bills will be higher, including those who are far less well-off than yourself .... now how does that stack-up with your moral & ethical ramblings against pv .... of course, now you know you'll keep United Utilities informed just incase you're wrong, or they change their charging structure!

I understand the point you are making, but the fact is that most(all?) water companies will actively encourage harvesting rainwater to flush toilets, and offer advice on the subject.


Presumably this is because it is better to flush using rainwater than flushing away expensively treated drinking quality water.

zeupater

Cardew wrote: »

I understand the point you are making, but the fact is that most(all?) water companies will actively encourage harvesting rainwater to flush toilets, and offer advice on the subject.

Presumably this is because it is better to flush using rainwater than flushing away expensively treated drinking quality water.

Hi Cardew

I understand the point you are making, but the fact is that most(all?) energy companies will actively encourage harvesting sunlight to power domestic appliances and feed into the grid, and offer advice on the subject.

Presumably this is because it is better to generate power at point of use than provide expensive infrastructure to deliver energy over distance

Considering the synergy, the point being ? :)
Z

rustyg

Could the EPC be done prior to the commissioning date of the PV but still include the PV?
Let's say the PV company fits the panels on Monday morning and the EPC guy comes in the afternoon. He'd be obliged to include the PV in the EPC, wouldn't he? How would he know it hadn't yet been commissioned? He'd have photographic evidence of the panels so ignoring them would be difficult to justify...especially if the roofers had left some paperwork about the system size, etc.
Then the electrician comes on the Tuesday, connects up and commissions.

All this activity could even be squeezed into a single day. Who would know whether the PV was actually live at the moment the EPC was published?