The New Minimum Wage 2016 ?

Darksparkle

pinpin wrote: »

When does the 7.20 start? At last, a pay rise for me!!!!! quite a big one, too

April 2016.

pinpin

Darksparkle wrote: »

April 2016.

Cool. thanks.
Been waiting about a decade for it! lol

Dan-Dan

pinpin wrote: »

Cool. thanks.
Been waiting about a decade for it! lol

I think spending that decade trying to better your qualifications and therefore prospects would have been a good use of those years , rather than waiting for a pittance to be announced

PasturesNew

Pennywise wrote: »

What's even more worrying is that it's actually cheaper for the state to pay private care homes to look after the old and disabled which is why they closed down most/all of the state owned/operated old age and care homes in the first place. How on earth was it more expensive for the state to run such homes themselves than to pay several hundred pounds per week to private businesses who make profits? There must have been a hell of a lot of inefficiency in those state run homes for the expensive private sector ones to be cheaper!

It's the layers of management and additional staff costs that councils have that private companies don't have.

e.g. if you have a home that costs £2000/week to own (mortgage/rent), then the Council will say "Ah, yes, but another £1k to pay for their portion of the County Hall".

Then staff. Private employers pay the staff. The Council pay the staff, the staff get more annual leave. The Council also train staff, more often, with all sorts of (often useless) stuff just because they have set a budget to train staff and so then they have to book staff in to use up that budget. Private employers will not train people beyond the absolutely vital. Then there's pensions.... the Council staff will have had a pension; private employees not.

Then there are all the additional management charges the Council pile on.

Private care home: Manager, Deputy.
Council care home: Manager, Deputy. Social services portion of management; portion of Area Manager; portion of paying for training/meetings/travel for these; portion of Director of Social Services salary; portion of Director's boss' pay ... and so on up the gravy train.

System

And I think a lot of management could soon be automatable, esp where data's used

makeyourdaddyproud

A wage rise at whatever level raises costs for all providers. Some will throw in the towel but most will persevere. I am of the belief that those providers that give up are subconsciously unable to provide a good service long term, as it would indicate they that are in fact mobilising the business for the moment and not the future. A good care provider will have preempted cost rises under due dilligence, and would probably be best able to adapt.

Any care home planning to resign due to the mandated salary increases are most likely to be systemically inefficient, and would almost certainly have issues with staff attrition and training.

Will this raise fees for service users? Quite inevitably. Though I would like to believe that by raising the rate they will also have fresh blood willing to carry the mantle as care professionals and possibly higher standards of training can be offered as a result.

I would like to see those care providers closing their business in the face of the rate rise face a lifetime ban from starting any care business in future, as they could quite possibly be a danger to dependent future service users with their apathetic mindset and monetary avarice.

makeyourdaddyproud

Oh, and on the subject of care automation, I believe some degree of that may also be inevitable; Did everyone who used the manual sphygmomanometer think that could be automated with a motorised pump and digital readout? No. Was keyhole surgery even feasible in as recently as 1980? No. What about the CT scanner?

With razor sharp image processing and fuzzy logic algorithms built into a firmware there's no reason to think that blood taking couldn't be done by a robot, provided the vein/vessel could be identified by its position and depth from the image. That is just one medical action.

Cost: as with any new piece of kit, initial investment will always be high. Has anyone seen the size of EDVAC and ENIAC? Now look what you have ringing in your pocket...

System

And also if you don't raise wages, you're actually cutting them in real terms, if a business has to make real terms cuts in basic pay to survive they must be weak/inefficient

System

I think so many jobs are becoming more automatable that initial investment will be spread, and across a whole industry the savings will be profound, just needs time

pinpin

Dan-Dan wrote: »

I think spending that decade trying to better your qualifications and therefore prospects would have been a good use of those years , rather than waiting for a pittance to be announced

Even though you're very rude, i'll still reply

I'm not very clever and struggled to get average GCSE results, and so getting a degree etc was never on the cards. I've always done warehouse work
Not everyone is capable of earning megabucks.
So it's minimum wage or a life on benefits. I chose work (possibly stupidly!!)