Danes, Swedes impose new border checks in fresh blow to open-frontier Europe

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Graham_Devon wrote: »

These issues are happening in Brussels now, with literally handfuls of people disrupting huge numbers of lives. These people were "let in".

The same has happened in Munich with the NYE terror alert. Thousands of people effected by a handful of people who came over from Syria.

Same in France, over 100 killed and thousands effected by a samll group of people who just walked over borders, not even once, but twice, even though they were on the radar. .

Gosh that's some desperate attempts to blame asylum seekers there GD, given that almost all of the suspects so far have been French or Belgian citizens.

The problem of home grown terrorists is far bigger than the migrants have been and a large number of home grown terrorists seem to be radicalised on the Internet.

Of course it would be ridiculous to call for the internet to be banned.

Just as it is ridiculous to suggest we should seal the borders to refugees and asylum seekers.

kinger101

CLAPTON wrote: »

on the matter of correct use and meaning of words: being a citizen doesn't imply place of birth

True. Anyone can become a French Citizen (if they're good enough with a football.....:rotfl:). But many were French born, and the sons of immigrants. Which makes that at least as French as Serge Gainsbourg.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34832512

MFW_ASAP

Generali wrote: »

I don't see the flaws.

If there is a problem with large numbers of refugees in the EU then closing borders within Europe just concentrates the problem at the point of arrival. This doesn't address the problem, it just lets the Swedes wash their hands of it.

The flaw is that a single leader in the EU unilaterally declared that "If you can somehow get yourself to Germany, and you're Syrian, we'll give you residency no questions asked".

Naturally that sparked an unprecedented migration of people who want a better life and so they piled across Africa and the Middle east, the Mediterranean and eastern Europe (many dying in the process). When they got to Germany, the Glorious Leader realised her folly and then unilaterally declared that all other EU countries had to do 'their bit' and bail her out of the mess she created by accepting a quota of refugees.

Naturally, the refugees realised that being based in Germany, Sweden, Denmark, etc. was a far more appealing proposition than being moved to an eastern european country and so they used schengen to their advantage.

Its therefore not fair to say that the Swedes are 'washing their hands of it' when they didn't cause the disaster.

With the recent problems with a 'thousand' middle eastern/north african men sexually assaulting women en-mass in German cities over the new year celebrations, Merkel's idiocy is coming home to roost. She wanted to play statesman and has simply opened the door to the far right in Germany. We know how well that ended last time the German people had a shared grudge.

MFW_ASAP

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Gosh that's some desperate attempts to blame asylum seekers there GD, given that almost all of the suspects so far have been French or Belgian citizens.

The problem of home grown terrorists is far bigger than the migrants have been and a large number of home grown terrorists seem to be radicalised on the Internet.

Of course it would be ridiculous to call for the internet to be banned.

Just as it is ridiculous to suggest we should seal the borders to refugees and asylum seekers.

A desperate attempt on your part Hamish to ignore the fact that while the terrorists were home grown, they were all on watch lists that prevented conventional travel back to their home countries from jihad in Syria. They mingled with the huge mass of refugees and got home undetected.

The refugees are blameless, it's the folly of a few politicians who encouraged the mass of unchecked and undocumented refugees to travel to Germany who caused all this.

Its ridiculous to say that countries should not control their borders and apply standard checks on people who travel there from outside the schengen countries. The UK is outside the schengen agreement and so when we travel o the EU we have to go through passport control. I'm OK with that, it's a basic check to make sure you are who you say you are and you're not wanted by the authorities. Why on earth do you believe that we should be checked but refugees shouldn't? Bonkers.

MFW_ASAP

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Of course they can.

The EU population is 500 million people.

Even 5 million a year (which is 5 times the arrivals last year) would only be 1% of population a year.

Britain alone needs a million immigrants a year just to keep the population balance between generations to historical norms, and avoid crippling the young with onerous levels of taxation to support the old. Germany needs more than that.... And then there's all the rest...

By bringing in immigrants who don't speak your language, don't understand and often don;t accept your culture, have little education and skills? The majority of the people coming into the EU via the 'open door' policy are going to cost far more than they generate. These aren't hand picked immigrants filling specific roles, with comparable education and experience levels of their counterparts in the EU.

All that will happen is that these people will struggle to find jobs, end up in the poorer parts of cities (because that's all they can afford), become disenfranchised with their sponsor country and some will take violent action. This is exactly what is happening in France with their Ghettos full of people from their former North African colonies.

Graham_Devon

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Gosh that's some desperate attempts to blame asylum seekers there GD, given that almost all of the suspects so far have been French or Belgian citizens.

I didn't blame asylum seekers and didn't even type those words.

I said "let in"

The crisis and the way it was handled allowed literally anyone in. People could refuse fingerprint checks and they were still let in.

It was (and still is) utter madness.

You claimed at the time it was ridiculous to assume people with intentions to harm us would cross in such a manner.

Now we know they did. Not once, but twice, sometimes 3 times to and from Syria. Worse is they were known to the authorities but a simple refusal to offer fingerprints meant they got through scott free.

MFW_ASAP

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Now we know they did. Not once, but twice, sometimes 3 times to and from Syria. Worse is they were known to the authorities but a simple refusal to offer fingerprints meant they got through scott free.

Some were fingerprinted, hence how they knew the route/method the terrorists took, but the system was so swamped that no checks against the fingerprints were made.

dktreesea

MFW_ASAP wrote: »

By bringing in immigrants who don't speak your language, don't understand and often don;t accept your culture, have little education and skills? The majority of the people coming into the EU via the 'open door' policy are going to cost far more than they generate. These aren't hand picked immigrants filling specific roles, with comparable education and experience levels of their counterparts in the EU.

All that will happen is that these people will struggle to find jobs, end up in the poorer parts of cities (because that's all they can afford), become disenfranchised with their sponsor country and some will take violent action. This is exactly what is happening in France with their Ghettos full of people from their former North African colonies.

The first generation who come may expect poor quality jobs and housing, at least while they save every penny so they can establish themselves in a small business or while they study to transfer over their qualifications. It's the next generation and possibly the one after that where the problems could start. People who don't speak their parent's language fluently, have no future back in their parents homeland(s) but at the same time are rejected here in the labour market, even though they are from here. Right qualification, wrong surname. Or even just a concern that the children of some groups of immigrants are brought up to not share our values.

billyolly

Can some one explain ,overseas aid is ring fenced but every government department is making cutbacks .There still thousands try to get into a country that has trouble finding enough money for health,housing education,the list goes on.We are being told the local government cut backs will go on for years but we can still find enough money to let people come to a country that struggles to meet basic needs of its own people.

BarleyGB

billyolly wrote: »

Can some one explain ,overseas aid is ring fenced but every government department is making cutbacks .There still thousands try to get into a country that has trouble finding enough money for health,housing education,the list goes on.We are being told the local government cut backs will go on for years but we can still find enough money to let people come to a country that struggles to meet basic needs of its own people.

It would be nice if someone could.