Paying for children at university

missbiggles1

Person_one wrote: »

I couldn't disagree more.

The day that university education becomes nothing more than a route to employment will be a sad day for the future of the country, and the world!

And if that were to happen,students from low and middle income families will end up at nondescript degree factories becoming "career" fodder whilst those from well off homes will go to excellent universities, receive a real university education and sail straight towards top jobs with organisations that understand the value of a traditional university education.

I can feel a conspiracy theory coming on....:(

Andypandyboy

mumps wrote: »

Well if you are right pigpen doesn't have any worries, her kids will get grants, bursaries and all sorts thrown at them.

Thinking about it I am sure the students with the poorest parents seemed to have the most money at uni when my kids were there.

Goodness, you are right, no worries at all, so why the bile re the "entitlement" and the comment about "taking financial responsiblity"? It seems a bit of an odd thing to say. And why would you go on to have yet another child if you openly state on a forum "that you can't feed the ones you have"?

I have no idea what benefits would be for a family that size and I certainly wouldn't begrudge them in cases of need, but I suspect they are enough to feed the children at the very least.

Amazed:o

adindas

mumps wrote: »

I do think the mickey mouse degree has been overused. I know someone who did a "surfing" degree. People assumed he was spending his time surfing. What a laugh. He was studying design, maths, marketing, psychology and lots more. Got a job in Hawaii I think, head hunted and doing nicely. Mickey Mouse? I think the laugh wasn't on him.

How many percentages are we talking about here compared to the students who finish degree in similar subject????

How many of his colleagues working doing menial job ???

If someone is head hunted, it will not be based on the degree he earned at the university as it is highly unlikely a fresh graduate will be head hunted, especially in the areas where there are not a lot of job available. It must be something to do with his previous work experience doing similar job at the senior level. So here the degree is irrelevant.

In the meanwhile compared it to qualified doctors, dentists, Geologists, certain Engineers. How many of them are working on low paid jobs??

Some billionaires do not have degrees at al. Both Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg do not have degrees as they do not finish their study at Harvard. But they are extremely talented and smart people

There are always be exception rather than the rule. and the example you give might be one of them.

mumps

adindas wrote: »

How many percentages are we talking about here compared to the students who finish degree in similar subject????

How many of his colleagues working in low skill job ???

If someone is head hunted, I do not think it will ever be based on degree he has earned at university. It must be something to do with his previous work experience doing similar job at that level. So here the degree is not irrelevant.

In the meanwhile compared it to qualified doctors, dentists, Certain Engineers. How many of them are working on low paid jobs??

Some billionaires do not have degrees at al. Both Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg do not have degrees at al as they do not finish their study at Harvard
But they are extremely talented, smart people

There are always be exception rather than the rule.

He did a year in industry as part of his degree, I can't remember if it was between first and second year or second and third. I assumed that was how he got the job, nothing to do with anything prior to university, he went at 18 straight from school.

I haven't a clue what other graduates are doing, I just happen to know his family.

onlyroz

missbiggles1 wrote: »

And if that were to happen,students from low and middle income families will end up at nondescript degree factories becoming "career" fodder whilst those from well off homes will go to excellent universities, receive a real university education and sail straight towards top jobs with organisations that understand the value of a traditional university education.

I can feel a conspiracy theory coming on....:(

There is a place for both. Many of these "mickey mouse" degrees are replacements for apprenticeships - many of which had inconsistent and poor quality teaching, and the poor s*ds on them were used as cheap labour without really learning much. Moving these over to degree courses has massively improved the standard of teaching, and the consistency of learning.

My brother did a degree in "Food Industry Management" - my parents wondered what on earth he was doing, but he has since spent the last 15 years or so working in quality assurance in various parts of the food industry, and has done pretty well for himself.

I did a degree and a PhD in Physics - I did have vague aspirations to go into academia, but after observing first hand how difficult, frustrating and poorly rewarded such a career path is, I ended up in software engineering. There are many many jobs where employers simply want evidence that you are numerate and a quick learner, and so if you can get a degree in Physics, Maths or Engineering from a good university then plenty of doors will open before you.

And despite what some people on here have said, the university you attend is tremendously important - go to a good one with a solid reputation and you'll get far more job interviews than if you attend a low-ranking one.

missbiggles1

adindas wrote: »

How many percentages are we talking about here compared to the students who finish degree in similar subject????

How many of his colleagues working doing menial job ???

If someone is head hunted, it will not be based on the degree he earned at the university as it is highly unlikely a fresh graduate will be head hunted, especially in the areas where there are not a lot of job available. It must be something to do with his previous work experience doing similar job at the senior level. So here the degree is irrelevant.

In the meanwhile compared it to qualified doctors, dentists, Geologists, certain Engineers. How many of them are working on low paid jobs??

Some billionaires do not have degrees at al. Both Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg do not have degrees as they do not finish their study at Harvard. But they are extremely talented and smart people

There are always be exception rather than the rule. and the example you give might be one of them.

Actually, these small, niche degree courses often have excellent results for student destination, serving as they do the needs of local industry. In fact, given what you've written previously, I'm rather surprised that you disapprove.

Person_one

missbiggles1 wrote: »

Actually, these small, niche degree courses often have excellent results for student destination, serving as they do the needs of local industry. In fact, given what you've written previously, I'm rather surprised that you disapprove.

Exactly, a friend of a friend studied 'zoo management'. Seems a bit niche, until you find out it was at Chester University and basically a staff training programme for Chester Zoo.

*max*

princesstippytoes wrote: »

Does your partner have a job now? Or are your 11 children (and one on the way) still supported entirely by benefits? Where is the financial responsibility in that?


My children aren't quite at uni stage yet but I will encourage them to work hard to get what they want. That doesn't mean I could sit back and watch them struggle.

I thought I was the only one noticing the incredible irony, and hypocrisy, of those comments.

missbiggles1

*max* wrote: »

I thought I was the only one noticing the incredible irony, and hypocrisy, of those comments.

Some of us have to be careful of what we post and can only hint.:o

mumps

*max* wrote: »

I thought I was the only one noticing the incredible irony, and hypocrisy, of those comments.

I'm hopeless with names so it takes me ages to recognise someone. I don't know if I have ever come across Pigpen before but I was a bit shocked at her ........... well anger I suppose. Her posts just sounded so angry to me. I was happy to help my 4 when they were at university, the youngest graduated when I was in my 60s so I had no time to save up for old age. He says he will look after me. :beer: