Paying for children at university

silvercar

I think the idea of doing medicine part-time is challenging, already a full-time course is 5 years and is very full on (one of mine dated a med student at uni) so if it was going to be ten years followed by further study as a junior doctor it would really stretch on. After the five years if you want to be a GP it is another 5 years, I think more like 7 more years to become a specialist so doubling up it could be 20 years for your 18 year old to become a GP, not sure if many would have the stamina. During the years as a junior doctor after their degree they are often working 90 hrs per week so even if they went part-time they could still be doing more hours than most jobs and of course studying for exams as well. I can't see it happening.

I don't think there is a part time medicine option.

The course is full on, I doubt anyone could hold down a part time job at the same time as studying. So basically, if you don't have parental support the course is going to be beyond you. Then again, getting a place at med school is very competitive, you need an application that shows some volunteering in the sector and extremely high grades. So if you have needed to work whilst studying up until application, it will be an uphill struggle to get on a course.

mumps

silvercar wrote: »

I don't think there is a part time medicine option.

The course is full on, I doubt anyone could hold down a part time job at the same time as studying. So basically, if you don't have parental support the course is going to be beyond you. Then again, getting a place at med school is very competitive, you need an application that shows some volunteering in the sector and extremely high grades. So if you have needed to work whilst studying up until application, it will be an uphill struggle to get on a course.

That was what I was trying to explain, it just wouldn't be workable.

Jagraf

silvercar wrote: »

I don't think there is a part time medicine option.

The course is full on, I doubt anyone could hold down a part time job at the same time as studying. So basically, if you don't have parental support the course is going to be beyond you. Then again, getting a place at med school is very competitive, you need an application that shows some volunteering in the sector and extremely high grades. So if you have needed to work whilst studying up until application, it will be an uphill struggle to get on a course.

No there isn't a part time option. I would like to see it reassessed to see if it could be viable to open up medicine as an option to those who don't have parental support (and those who also think parents can afford it but can't). Only 1/5 applicants get in to med school, you need A* as a given at A level and acceptance is based on your experience and interview / application. I know that. I just don't think it should be the only route. DD doesn't want to be a GP she wants to be a pathologist. I know that's millions of years too.

Mojisola

xXMessedUpXx wrote: »

I'd give them either both equal amounts or nothing.

I just know my parents views are we are all treated equally (example being since I went on the school trip to france in year 7, the other 3 did too)

But isn't that making sure that each child has the same experience, rather than the same amount of money spent on them?

If child 4's trip to France cost more than the trips for the others, did they give the other three a top-up of cash so that they had all had the same amount spent on them?

mumps

Jagraf wrote: »

No there isn't a part time option. I would like to see it reassessed to see if it could be viable to open up medicine as an option to those who don't have parental support (and those who also think parents can afford it but can't). Only 1/5 applicants get in to med school, you need A* as a given at A level and acceptance is based on your experience and interview / application. I know that. I just don't think it should be the only route. DD doesn't want to be a GP she wants to be a pathologist. I know that's millions of years too.

But don't you think it isn't viable for the reasons given previously? Five year medical degree, two years foundation and then 5 years to be a pathologist so if she started at 18 and was fulltime she would be qualified at 30 if you go part-time it would have to take twice as long as a minimum if she was going to earn anything worth earning from a part time job so you are looking at her qualifying at 42. Even if it were possible, and I don't think it would work, it doesn't seem very tempting to me. What about if she wanted to start a family and take a couple of years out? Qualifying at 44 or 45 and that is if she doesn't need to redo any exams. Apart from anything else look at the earning potential that has been lost between 30 and 42, much better to take the loans in my opinion.

Have you looked at what funding is available for medicine? I know some health care courses have NHS bursaries but don't know what there is for med students.

missbiggles1

mumps wrote: »

But don't you think it isn't viable for the reasons given previously? Five year medical degree, two years foundation and then 5 years to be a pathologist so if she started at 18 and was fulltime she would be qualified at 30 if you go part-time it would have to take twice as long as a minimum if she was going to earn anything worth earning from a part time job so you are looking at her qualifying at 42. Even if it were possible, and I don't think it would work, it doesn't seem very tempting to me. What about if she wanted to start a family and take a couple of years out? Qualifying at 44 or 45 and that is if she doesn't need to redo any exams. Apart from anything else look at the earning potential that has been lost between 30 and 42, much better to take the loans in my opinion.

Also very discriminatory for women as they'd still be in training throughout most of their reproductive years.

mumps

missbiggles1 wrote: »

Also very discriminatory for women as they'd still be in training throughout most of their reproductive years.

Exactly, I know we should encourage them to think of deferred gratification but I think this would be pushing it.

missbiggles1

Jagraf wrote: »

No there isn't a part time option. I would like to see it reassessed to see if it could be viable to open up medicine as an option to those who don't have parental support (and those who also think parents can afford it but can't). Only 1/5 applicants get in to med school, you need A* as a given at A level and acceptance is based on your experience and interview / application. I know that. I just don't think it should be the only route. DD doesn't want to be a GP she wants to be a pathologist. I know that's millions of years too.

Can you suggest ways in which you could see this happening? Genuine question

adindas

What is guaranteed in this world ? Well, death.

[FONT=&quot]About the prospect job, no guarantee certainly but you know it from the beginning learning from published research and statistics which degrees will likely to lead you to a better prospect of well paid jobs. So this will depend on which degrees you are referring. [/FONT]

There are reasonable number of youngsters here in the UK choose to study just to get the degrees which are less rigorous, very easy to get. These areas are mostly in non-STEM subjects. Finishing their study they are working in the areas which are irrelevant to their degrees and/or which do not need degrees at all. It is a complete waste of tax payer's money as many of the youngster funding their tuition fee through student loan funded by the taxpayers. This money will never be paid back if after finishing their degree they are working in low paid job.

Unless they have work experience in the industry, I have seen few people with MBA degrees (Repeat: Yes MBA degree) without work experience in this country are working stacking items on the shelves in the major supermarket, working as a taxi drivers, etc. If they choose to study finance and/or accounting instead for instance, it will significanlty increase their chance to get a more proper job.

In the meanwhile how many dentists, doctors, nuclear engineers, Geologists, Electronics/Electrical/Control Engineers are out of work here in the UK ??

Here are the list of shortage occupation published by UK government.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/423800/shortage_occupation_list_april_2015.pdf

If you ask your children or off-springs to gain skills through higher education in these areas, it will significantly increase their chance to get a better paid jobs after finishing their study.

pigpen wrote: »

there is the word ... 'wouldn't' ... a whole world away from 'couldn't'.

A degree doesn't ever guarantee a job with decent pay or a future filled with golden opportunities. My SIL who is shelf stacking in Tesco has better prospects than some. A degree can also be a hindrance .. heard the term 'over-qualified'?? The tutors at college are astounded that they have someone with a degree doing a level one course because he simply cannot find work! Those with a degree may earn more but getting that job in the first place has to happen which it doesn't always.

My offspring have my support utterly and completely and they totally know it.. but I will not hand over money which they also know.. like I said food, decent clothing, etc if I can but never ever cash. As I also said.. I look after my grandpest one afternoon a week while my daughter is at uni.. he really is a pest when with my small pest.. he is at nursery mornings and I pick him up and have him until about 4pm when his dad gets up and collects him. My DIL has him Monday afternoons, I have him Tuesday.. we work together as a family.. we couldn't do that if she was at uni elsewhere.. besides ours is a rather decent university. Practical support is offered in swathes.

And yes, in my experience as a parent, student and resident for the last 27 years, it is the more well off sweeties that run riot and have no boundaries.

missbiggles1

adindas wrote: »

What is guaranteed in this world ? Well, death.

[FONT=&quot]About the prospect job, no guarantee certainly but you know it from the beginning learning from published research and statistics which degrees will likely to lead you to a better prospect of well paid jobs. So this will depend on which degrees you are referring. [/FONT]

There are reasonable number of youngsters here in the UK choose to study just to get the degrees which are less rigorous, very easy to get. These areas are mostly in non-STEM subjects. Finishing their study they are working in the areas which are irrelevant to their degrees and/or which do not need degrees at all. If it a waste of tax payers money as many of the youngster funding their tuition fee through student loan funded by the taxpayers. This money will never be paid back if after finishing their degree they are working in low paid job.

Unless they have work experience in the industry, I have seen few people with MBA degrees (Repeat: Yes MBA degree) without work experience in this country are working stacking items on the shelves in the major supermarket, working as a taxi drivers, etc. If they choose to study finance and/or accounting instead for instance, it will significanlty increase their chance to get a more proper job.

In the meanwhile how many dentists, doctors, nuclear engineers, Geologists, Electronics/Electrical/Control Engineers are out of work here in the UK ??

Here are the list of shortage occupation published by UK government.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/423800/shortage_occupation_list_april_2015.pdf

If you ask your children or off-springs to gain skills through higher education in these areas, it will significantly increase their chance to get a better paid jobs after finishing their study.

Although interesting and with some relevance, that list is intended for fully qualified and experienced people wanting to enter the UK, rather than for young people starting out in a career.

As an example, the fact that there's a shortage of top level ballet dancers who have performed at places of the calibre of Sadlers Well doesn't mean that ballet dancing, in general, is a shortage area that young people will find it easy to get into.