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BykerSands

bigjl wrote: »

The area of coverage for the LEZ is also not tiny.

They made it bigger.

Almost all the way to the M25 near where I live.

I would have to double check but I think it might have been enlarged to cover most of the Metropolitan Police area.

Would have made more sense for them to make it within the M25 so the public knew where they stood.

AdrianC

BykerSands wrote: »

Would have made more sense for them to make it within the M25 so the public knew where they stood.

TfL have no authority outside London. The M25 is not in their area, except for a tiny handful of stretches.

BykerSands

AdrianC wrote: »

TfL have no authority outside London. The M25 is not in their area, except for a tiny handful of stretches.

It doesn't have to include the M25, I just said inside and they could have easily amended their authority for emissions when the act was put in place.

AdrianC

BykerSands wrote: »

It doesn't have to include the M25, I just said inside

London does not go near the M25 for most of the motorway's length. Look at the map.


See the white bits inside the M25?

London != "Inside M25"
"Inside M25" != London

and they could have easily amended their authority for emissions when the act was put in place.

"Hello, Hertfordshire/Essex/Kent/Surrey/etc County Council? You don't mind if we step firmly on your toes, do you, and take over a good chunk of your area? No? Good, because somebody on t'internet thinks it's a good idea, so we're doing it anyway! We can send tanks up Watford High St, if you prefer?"

BykerSands

AdrianC wrote: »

"Hello, Hertfordshire/Essex/Kent/Surrey/etc County Council? You don't mind if we step firmly on your toes, do you, and take over a good chunk of your area? No? Good, because somebody on t'internet thinks it's a good idea, so we're doing it anyway! We can send tanks up Watford High St, if you prefer?"

They manage to do such things in 1974 when such counties lost large parts of their police forces.

AdrianC

No, that was central Government - Parliament - redrawing boundaries, not London just on an expansionist rampage...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Government_Act_1972

BykerSands

AdrianC wrote: »

No, that was central Government - Parliament - redrawing boundaries, not London just on an expansionist rampage...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Government_Act_1972

And who do you think created the LEZ?

Out of interest, why do you think they couldn't just make the LEZ the whole area withinn the M25?

Iceweasel

Lets not start an argument of where London sits within the M25 please.

The point is that the charge/penalty for taking a non-compliant vehicle into an LEZ is quite a hefty one.

In Germany for example without a Euro4 sticker you won't get far towards the centre of Munich. (Don't ask me why I know this.)

Germany is regularly upping the requirements on a city by city basis and it will not be long before they do have Euro5 stickers and then Euro6 ones.

There are very obvious in the screen and you have little chance of avoiding the €80 penalty.

The sticker costs €8.00 if you buy it from any TÜV testing station - and it lasts for the life of the vehicle.

Don't go anywhere in Germany without getting one asap you enter Germany.

Don't forget they have ways of making you pay.

I can understand the OP's wish to keep it 'low-key' when camping up outwith a recognized camp-site. He simply doesn't want to attract attention.

In many countries in Eastern and southern Europe any tourist is seen as a wealthy opportunity for easy pickings.

Keeping the exterior of your van/camper looking like any other delivery vehicle is a good idea to deter the opportunists.

Looking not exactly poor, but not obviously wealthy either is the best advice if you intend going to places like Montenegro, Albania, Morocco, Turkey, etc.

AdrianC

BykerSands wrote: »

And who do you think created the LEZ?

TfL. Which is part of the GLA. Not parliament, if that's what you're meaning - it was nothing to do with parliament.

Out of interest, why do you think they couldn't just make the LEZ the whole area withinn the M25?

For the 47th time, because they only have powers over London.

BykerSands

AdrianC wrote: »

TfL. Which is part of the GLA. Not parliament, if that's what you're meaning - it was nothing to do with parliament.

So if you fail to pay you get a PCN?

Where do you think the authority to issue that comes from?