Sign the Petition for Womens state pension age going up unfair

bmm78

Pennylane wrote: »

Some people just don't believe what many of us know to be true, that we didn't receive letters warning about this.

If you think that to be the crux of the "anti-waspi" argument, as painful as it may seem you probably need to go back through the last 56 pages of this thread

atush

slightlymiffed wrote: »

Why was that being 'silly' atush? That wasn't irony! I meant it - I was being what you may not recognise, nice.

Oh dear, too many people on this forum seem to have had a sense of humour bypass. It may be that the skills required to work in the finance/pensions sector attract a different type - and suffice it to say, none of my girlfriends are actually actuaries....

Oh yes, the 'Hello mag' rears its head again...Well, if you want my opinion (and I know you don't) Hello mag is dross and I no, I wasn't really going to read it..it was a joke!!! Good of you to recognise your 'airhead' friend's need for advice because of her reading material. I guess you go to bed with Adam Smith?

Still, it's Friday evening and 'you' can all get out your high heels and Prosecco soon.

You were clearly being silly. To think I would have the knowledge and yet not give it to others of my acquaintance.

I do not go to bed with any scotsman alive or dead. I am, and this could be a lack of judgment on my part or not, married to an englishman.

I am a scientist, not a banker. So I do perhaps have a slight impatience for women of a flighty, idiotic nature. Of which you would appear to be one. But I do not choose my friends from a list of requirements incl race, religion or socio/economic class.

So I have friends of all intellects and economics (although unlike you and many here who like to lecture us in social responsibilities, I DO help any I can do, And I am friends to all incl those who dont agree with any opinions political or not I may have).


It is a very sad state of affairs for those who have been well educated, to have no compassion for those who have not. And shame on you who have been, and don t use your education with compassion.

I think this may be because I am a 'colonial'. And do not suffer the same ethnocentric or social predjudices nor the class war ones with the huge chip on shoulder requirements.

I am quite happy to have a wide social aquaitence of people from different economic strata. and if any are lacking in financial knowledge, and want my input- I give it.

If they want to be ignorant, and want to put their heads in the sand because it isnt 'interesting'' Fine. But if they want help, I give it.

jamesd

slightlymiffed wrote: »

Really???? That helpful? WASPI do seem have stirred up a Hornet's Nest for some, don't they. You are even prepared to bank-roll legal action against any change in law as a result of their campaign? Why such vehemence?

Because I dislike discrimination and excessive demands.

It's not traditional to capitalise "hornet's nest", though, a nest isn't a proper name.

slightlymiffed wrote: »

I had fully intended to leave 'you' to your highly prejudiced and entrenched views

I'm opposed to prejudice and that's part of why why I'm against what WASPI is seeking.

jamesd

slightlymiffed wrote: »

the promotion of early means tested pensions/benfits for men

Please provide a link and quote to a post here I have advocated early access to means tested working age or in retirement benefits for men. I'm entirely fine with such things happening at the usual legal age for them for both men and women.

I do respect the view in the news of Lord Turner that means tested pension benefits should be available at age 65 with the normal state pension age being 70 for those now in their fifties though it's a little late for a transition because it'll miss the majority of the early baby boomers and it's this cohort that is placing the main stress on the state pension system due to its size. Should really have been done much faster in a quick response to the Pensions Commission reports and it may have made age 70 unnecessary for the younger cohorts.

jamesd

bmm78 wrote: »

In the final analysis, the government would need to ensure that any transitional arrangements did not discriminate on the basis of gender. If they did not, this would be open to legal challenge.

It'd be a major challenge to achieve that since the group that is claimed to be affected worst is composed solely of women and one purpose of the relevant acts has been to reduce gender discrimination in state pension age due in part to European law on gender discrimination.

However, things like providing help in claiming the working age means tested benefits that are already available to those willing to work or physically unable to work could apply to all, say if it was done for anyone within five years of state pension age, perhaps also with referrals for those who sought help in claiming at a Job Centre, or sought help in paying Council Tax. Citizen's Advice does an excellent job with benefits reviews and some funding directed to them with those referrals could do significant good at low cost without requiring any changes in the law.

It's also something that WASPI could help its members with, since those Citizen's Advice benefits reviews are already available and WASPI already has communications channels that could reach any of its members who are in financial difficulty. That could deliver real and nearly immediate help to the most badly affected WASPI members.

jamesd

Pennylane wrote: »

ITs NOT a BENEFIT !!!!!!!!!!!

You'll find that the state pension payments are the largest single benefit expense of the government.

The state pension isn't a means tested benefit but rather like contribution-based Jobseeker's Allowance it's in theory due to having paid into the system to receive the benefit later, though no actual payments in by the individual are required to qualify since a full flat rate entitlement can be accrued via things like signing on or receiving Child Benefit.

Some people dislike the use of the word benefit in the pensions context, perhaps because they think that there's something negative about receiving benefits even though in general it's something people have paid significant contributions to get. A relic of negative views about the dole perhaps.

slightlymiffed

missbiggles1 wrote: »

To repeat myself once again - I do not come from a pensions/finance background!

I don't want to punish anybody but there is such a thing as cause and effect. If you're happy to wallow in ignorance then there will be consequences and this is all that's happening here.

I am sorry Miss Biggles, I shouldn't have 'assumed' - a quick look back through some of your posts has revealed you to be a former Careers Adviser. Interesting.

My only previous encounter with one of these was at my all-girls school in the late 60's - she was horrified at my suggestion that I wanted to be a copywriter and my friend's that she wanted to be an actress. Not surprisingly, her little pile of leaflets only included dental nurse or primary school teacher (you only needed 5 'O' levels then to take up teaching at that level). Needless to say, I'm not a copywriter btw.

I am quite sure you were much more professional and helpful and hopefully, with not such a closed a mind as you seem to have to WASPI.

I did, however, also read something on one of your previous posts which made me realise you have not had things easy for a while and for that, I am sorry. Genuinely.

Can we agree to differ?

slightlymiffed

Pollycat wrote: »

So I guess you haven't done anything to help less financially astute women.

Why does that not surprise me.

Now that's where you are wrong Pollycat. You see, coming onto this tedious forum to raise awareness for women affected by state pension ages has worked a treat.

In the process I have been called: an airhead, silly, a numpty, idiotic and of wallowing in ignorance but hey!, I don't mind because I can go back to my interesting normal life, leaving the bigoted twitterati among you to carry on ad infinitum. To be honest, I would be ashamed to have made 13,797 posts on an anonymous forum, however 'helpful' I think I am being.

I am not 'throwing my toys out of the pram' or being 'seen off' but there are only so many times I can state my case.

You really wanted me to 'admit' to being a WASPI - because 'they' are your preferred target. I most definitely support most of their concerns, for which I don't apologise nor feel any further need to defend.

slightlymiffed

atush wrote: »

You were clearly being silly. To think I would have the knowledge and yet not give it to others of my acquaintance.

I do not go to bed with any scotsman alive or dead. I am, and this could be a lack of judgment on my part or not, married to an englishman.

I am a scientist, not a banker. So I do perhaps have a slight impatience for women of a flighty, idiotic nature. Of which you would appear to be one. But I do not choose my friends from a list of requirements incl race, religion or socio/economic class.

So I have friends of all intellects and economics (although unlike you and many here who like to lecture us in social responsibilities, I DO help any I can do, And I am friends to all incl those who dont agree with any opinions political or not I may have).


It is a very sad state of affairs for those who have been well educated, to have no compassion for those who have not. And shame on you who have been, and don t use your education with compassion.

I think this may be because I am a 'colonial'. And do not suffer the same ethnocentric or social predjudices nor the class war ones with the huge chip on shoulder requirements.

I am quite happy to have a wide social aquaitence of people from different economic strata. and if any are lacking in financial knowledge, and want my input- I give it.

If they want to be ignorant, and want to put their heads in the sand because it isnt 'interesting'' Fine. But if they want help, I give it.

Oh dear - you are making yourself sound frightfully self-important and dull atush. You'd be a definite body-swerve at parties.

I understand now though that, as a scientist, your 'social skills' are probably not as fine tuned as those with an artistic leaning. That's ok.

Am I 'flighty and idiotic'? No - real and connected. You don't know me.

On a positive note though, we do have something in common - you found an 'Englishman' to marry. Me too. - mine's definitely not lack of judgement though.

slightlymiffed

jem16 wrote: »

Don't kid yourself.

I could be totally empathic ( or selfish ) and just happily accept the £36k that would be coming my way. But then that wouldn't help my children and grandchildren who will undoubtedly get to retire even later because of my "empathy".

Meanwhile I'll leave you to trying to match Twitter profiles with MSE forum users - it's actually quite amusing.

Skewed logic Jem. Am I getting £36,000 then? :j

Don't fret about the Twitter profiles - all sorted. Don't need to match to forum profiles either because 'you' are all transparent and pretty much interchangeable (which is why I can't remember which one you are).

And, if I've achieved nothing else here, I have 'quite amused' someone who finds real life so interesting that she has made 18,354 posts on this forum alone. :eek: