Ticket fell off Windscreen

nomis1964

Today I was parked on an NCP car Park in Wolverhampton. I paid the required fee for the amount of time i was going to be there, and attached the ticket to my windscreen as requested on the ticket by using the sticker on the back of the ticket.

On my return to the car I found a PCN, and that the ticket had fallen off the windscreen.

The PCN states

Code B2

Parked without clearly displaying the required valid pay and display ticket and no other cashless parking payments detected.

should i appeal now on the grounds I had paid the required fee, or wait the 22 days as per the details in the "newbies Thread"?

Many Thanks

Fruitcake

nomis1964 wrote: »

Today I was parked on an NCP car Park in Wolverhampton. I paid the required fee for the amount of time i was going to be there, and attached the ticket to my windscreen as requested on the ticket by using the sticker on the back of the ticket.

On my return to the car I found a PCN, and that the ticket had fallen off the windscreen.

The PCN states

Code B2

Parked without clearly displaying the required valid pay and display ticket and no other cashless parking payments detected.

should i appeal now on the grounds I had paid the required fee, or wait the 22 days as per the details in the "newbies Thread"?

Many Thanks

Appeal using the template in the NEWBIES thread. Add that "THE DRIVER paid in full and the PPC suffered no loss" if you wish, but on no account say "I paid" as that will give away the fact that you were the driver. That's why it is always best to copy and paste the template letter exactly as it is when appealing.
If you add anything else you have to be very, very careful of the wording.


Appeal around day 25 or as defined in the NEWBIES thread.

The_Deep

but on no account say "I paid" as that will give away the fact that you were the driver.


How so? OP could have been the passenger. A logical fallacy old fruit, affirming a disjunct.

Marktheshark

Only provide facts that support your appeal.

Example, you paid for parking and displayed a ticket and here is a copy of said ticket they claim you did not buy.
Omit any other circumstances that support their claims.

At the next appeal. the onus will be on them to prove you wrong, do not help them do it.

frankietwospots

OP, you might find my experience helpful as the circumstances are broadly similar although I'm assuming yours isn't a company car - see thread here: https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/69804209#Comment_69804209

Fruitcake

The_Deep wrote: »

but on no account say "I paid" as that will give away the fact that you were the driver.


How so? OP could have been the passenger. A logical fallacy old fruit, affirming a disjunct.

Yes, the OP could have been a passenger, but the PPC will assume anyone saying "I paid" was the driver. Whether or not the OP was in fact a passenger or at home watching TV is irrelevant in the eyes of a parking scumpany. They will assume the worst so it is best to avoid giving the opportunity to twist words.



There are several meanings of the word disjunct. I don't understand your use of this word.

The_Deep

... but the PPC will assume anyone saying "I paid" was the driver.

Once again Fruitcake you are making unsupported assumptions, this time about other peoples' assumptions. Please stop, it is lazy thinking. In any case, who cares what other people may assume, it is what they can prove to a judge that matters.

prowla

But the advice is do not identify yourself as anything other than the keeper.

prowla

Incidentally, after a "fluttering ticket" incident in Brighton, I've taken to carrying a clothes peg in the car, which I use to hold the ticket on the dashboard (on the rare occasions I go somewhere where you have to pay to park).

Herzlos

The_Deep wrote: »

... but the PPC will assume anyone saying "I paid" was the driver.

Once again Fruitcake you are making unsupported assumptions, this time about other peoples' assumptions. Please stop, it is lazy thinking. In any case, who cares what other people may assume, it is what they can prove to a judge that matters.

When you're dealing with companies who are happy to lie and cheat, you want to give them as little to go on as possible. Sure, the keeper may have been a passenger, but if they paid for the ticket you can twist it to mean that they've accepted liability for not doing it correctly.

If you tell a PPC "I paid for a ticket", they are going to read that as admission that you are the driver / responsible, and they will then decide they don't need POFA.

It adds exactly nothing to your case, and makes it more likely for them to continue to harrass you, so why would you do it beyond making some sort of pedantic point?

The_Deep

If you tell a PPC "I paid for a ticket", they are going to read that as admission that you are the driver / responsible, and they will then decide they don't need POFA.


Then they would be wrong , and you would have yet another stick with which to beat them.