NHS Dental Fine

Londonsu

missapril75 wrote: »

I'm still wondering why you don't object to driving licence reminders issued by this nanny state.

Wouldn't it be better to save that money and pass it on the the NHS? Why is it only poor and sick people singled out?
But the fees exist because the OP missed the expiry. Had there been a reminder, coverage could have continued and there would be no fee.


Better still, there wouldn't be all this money wasted chasing up a fee that wouldn't exist but for a few pence on a reminder.

Sometimes a little money spent saves a lot.

I have already told you I don't drive therefore I have no opinion about reminders for driving licences I have no idea why they send them out but that's not the point perhaps if you feel so strongly about it write to your MP and get them to bring it up in the house.


To say the poor and sick are being singled out is emotive nonsense, have you read the back of a prescription, it has a declaration that you sign to say you have the correct valid exemption and that you agree to your details being passed to the NHS BSA, why should the NHS send out reminders when they have already reminded people to check their own exemption every time they sign the back of a prescription.


Same with dentist it may not be on the form but it certainly on posters and on leaflets (the text I posted came directly from one of the leaflets) so the information is freely available in the surgery, why send out reminders to people when the information is out there that its their responsibility to ensure they have the correct entitlement.

missapril75

Londonsu wrote: »

I have already told you I don't drive therefore I have no opinion about reminders for driving licences I have no idea why they send them out but that's not the point perhaps if you feel so strongly about it write to your MP

I don't feel strongly about it. I'm puzzled as to why reminders from one government department are 'okay' while those from another are not.

I have a 'thing' about double standards.

That's a bit of a cop out saying you have no opinion because you don't drive. Would you have no opinion on NHS reminders for exemption certs if you didn't use them?

To say the poor and sick are being singled out is emotive nonsense

says the person who used the expression "saving lives and relieving suffering" when it came to the subject of NHS reminders. You're a bit on the inconsistent side aren't you what with complaining about smileys and then using giant bold text. :rotfl:

This is beyond silly now.

Londonsu

missapril75 wrote: »

I don't feel strongly about it. I'm puzzled as to why reminders from one government department are 'okay' while those from another are not.

I have a 'thing' about double standards.

That's a bit of a cop out saying you have no opinion because you don't drive. Would you have no opinion on NHS reminders for exemption certs if you didn't use them?

says the person who used the expression "saving lives and relieving suffering" when it came to the subject of NHS reminders. You're a bit on the inconsistent side aren't you what with complaining about smileys and then using giant bold text. :rotfl:This is beyond silly now.

You really should read posts before making inane comments


First of all I apologised for the large bold text, there you go read it again

I am sorry about the large text BTW that's how it came out with the cut and paste.

Secondly I no longer use an exemption certificate I told you that in one of my posts - there you go read it again


BUT my certificate needs to be renewed every 5 years, no one told me it did I just read the expiry date on the card and worked it out myself and managed (until I turned 60 and therefore no use for it) to renew it every time it was due to expire.



I am now age exempt, because my age and DOB is printed on my prescription I don't even have to fill in and sign the declaration on the back therefore my medical exemption card that I was quite capable of renewing without a reminder is obsolete.


Now I don't actually agree with getting free prescriptions at my age I think its too young it should be at the age where I get my pension (66) and believe me if my age and DOB where not on the front and I had to sign the back and the declaration I would not do so, I would not claim age exemption apart from the medication that my old certificate covered


To make it clearer, In February this year I had a chest infection, I had a prescription for antibiotics, steroids, and inhaler, at the time my exemption was my medical exemption card, guess what? I didn't use it I paid for all the items. In October I had another one, same prescription this time my exemption is age related, this time even when I offered to pay my payment was rejected because of the DOB and age on the front - believe me I would not have even considered claiming if I had to fill in the back of the form I would have paid, I am not rich I barely earn more then the cut of point for the low income exemption.


If the government changed the age exemptions so people over 60 had to pay until pension age and even then it could be means tested or the families of children under 16 had to pay for their child's prescriptions if they earned over a certain limit I personally would have no issue with that,


That's the difference between you and I you want a nanny state you want people just to be able to claim willy nilly without taking responsibility, without question without consequences, I don't.


BTW the emotive nonsense was when you said the poor and sick are being 'singled out' they are not, the poor and sick in this country have access to medicine and services which in other countries they would be denied if they couldn't pay up front all they are being asked to do is to prove they are poor and sick just like I did, just like I would be happy to do again if the age exemption was lifted.

missapril75

Londonsu wrote: »

I no longer use an exemption certificate I told you that in one of my posts - there you go read it again

Yes I read it. Did you use one? Yes you did. You referred to having renewed without a reminder. See, I read it.

So I perfectly correctly referred to your use. You did use them. Past tense. I didn't say you continued to use them.

See how silly it's getting?

That's the difference between you and I you want a nanny state you want people just to be able to claim willy nilly without taking responsibility,

And now you're imagining things.

I haven't even said people should be reminded. I have repeatedly referred to the inconsistency of reminders being issued or not. If there was a case for some being reminded rather than others, a case could be made for sick people and those on low incomes with other worries.

How on earth is that saying that people shouldn't have to take responsibility?

Mattygroves2

Most of the reminders issued by the public sector relate to requests for money I think which is why they are sent out. Even renewing your driving licence involves paying a fee. You don't get a reminder for a vehicle that is SORN although you should renew that every year but you do for any vehicle that is taxed.

My OH used to have a prescription prepayment certificate and used to get written reminders when it was due to expire so the NHS do send some reminders out. Again it was something that required payment.

Londonsu

missapril75 wrote: »

Yes I read it. Did you use one? Yes you did. You referred to having renewed without a reminder. See, I read it.

So I perfectly correctly referred to your use. You did use them. Past tense. I didn't say you continued to use them.

See how silly it's getting?


And now you're imagining things.

I haven't even said people should be reminded. I have repeatedly referred to the inconsistency of reminders being issued or not. If there was a case for some being reminded rather than others, a case could be made for sick people and those on low incomes with other worries.

How on earth is that saying that people shouldn't have to take responsibility?

I am not going to bother to even reply to you any more as according to you you don't even live in the UK, so what's it to you if the NHS is on its knees and wont last much longer due to a serious wastage of resources, perhaps you could enlighten us as to which country you live in now. Does your new country give people who are poor or sick free services without asking for proof, does it have a benefit system that allows free medication and services as a matter of course, does it give free medication and services to the elderly, does it give free health treatment to foreign nationals does it have a International free health service like ours here or is it proactive in getting payment from foreign nationals (unlike ours)


So take us through the procedure in your country for free medicine and free dental treatment and prove its better then ours .

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Mattygroves2 wrote: »

Most of the reminders issued by the public sector relate to requests for money

I agree it's pointless to compare reminders to pay with reminders about a potential loss of benefits. There is no way the current government will fork out the cost of such reminders while at the same time doing everything to cut benefit expenditure across the board.

missapril75

Londonsu wrote: »

I am not going to bother to even reply to you any more as according to you you don't even live in the UK, so what's it to you if the NHS is on its knees and wont last much longer due to a serious wastage of resources, perhaps you could enlighten us as to which country you live in now.

What on earth has that to do with the inconsistency I highlighted?

Does your new country give people who are poor or sick free services without asking for proof,

No.

Where did I suggest such things don't matter?

does it have a benefit system that allows free medication and services as a matter of course,

No. Why even ask that? The NHS is the best system going.

So take us through the procedure in your country for free medicine and free dental treatment and prove its better then ours .

It's not better. I haven't suggested it is and I haven't criticised the NHS in any way shape or form.

How many times do I have to refer to the inconsistency of reminders in one department and not in the other?

What's making you so touchy that you are dreaming up such stuff I haven't said?

Londonsu

missapril75 wrote: »

What on earth has that to do with the inconsistency I highlighted?


No.

Where did I suggest such things don't matter?


No. Why even ask that? The NHS is the best system going.


It's not better. I haven't suggested it is and I haven't criticised the NHS in any way shape or form.

How many times do I have to refer to the inconsistency of reminders in one department and not in the other?

What's making you so touchy that you are dreaming up such stuff I haven't said?

Then its nothing to do with you go and change things in your own country

tomtontom

Moneyineptitude wrote: »

I agree it's pointless to compare reminders to pay with reminders about a potential loss of benefits. There is no way the current government will fork out the cost of such reminders while at the same time doing everything to cut benefit expenditure across the board.

The BSA has never issued reminders, including under the Labour govt. Are individuals incapable of setting a reminder on their phone, or writing it in a diary?