MSE News: Women's state pension petition gathers over 50,000 signatures

GibbsRule_No3

Not that I think it has a snowballs chance in hell of getting through, but does that mean those women who did not get their pension from 60 will get the years backdated should a strange miracle happen? I am in the 53 - 54 age group that is impacted by the extra years. I was happy to retire at 63 (the 1995 shift) it is the 65 and 10 months part that I have the problem with, the state pension will almost pay my rent for the year and my personal pension will allow me to live, so I cannot retire before the SP kicks in. I am going down to three days though, so that will impact negatively on my company when they could have got a younger person in full time.

Goldiegirl

bmm78 wrote: »

I agree that 2011 is the issue, but on their facebook page WASPI are calling for all women born before 1960 to be entitled to a state pension age of 60?!?

The petition is (deliberately?) vague about what they want the transitional arrangements to be, but their overall position is clear - restoration of age 60 until 2020. Presumably women born in the early 60s would then jump straight to age 66.

The WASPI aims are completely unreasonable, and there is the increasing suspicion that what probably started as a well-intentioned campaign with a potentially valid case, has given way to self-serving elements looking to bag some extra cash.

As I said earlier in the thread, if these WASPI's got their way, it'd just lead to another group of people feeling wronged!

Goldiegirl

GibbsRule_No3 wrote: »

Not that I think it has a snowballs chance in hell of getting through, but does that mean those women who did not get their pension from 60 will get the years backdated should a strange miracle happen? I am in the 53 - 54 age group that is impacted by the extra years. I was happy to retire at 63 (the 1995 shift) it is the 65 and 10 months part that I have the problem with, the state pension will almost pay my rent for the year and my personal pension will allow me to live, so I cannot retire before the SP kicks in. I am going down to three days though, so that will impact negatively on my company when they could have got a younger person in full time.

I wouldn't even think about it if I was you, as you say, it's not got a snowball's chance of happening. Don't torture yourself with what-ifs!

bmm78

GibbsRule_No3 wrote: »

Not that I think it has a snowballs chance in hell of getting through, but does that mean those women who did not get their pension from 60 will get the years backdated should a strange miracle happen?

That appears to be what they are demanding. There's probably about as much chance of me getting my state pension at 60, and I'm a 37 yo male


The impression I get is that they are starting the "negotiations" at a high point, so that a more reasonable goal (some kind of transitional arrangement for those affected by the 2011 changes) can be presented as a compromise.

The risk of doing so is that it alienates people who may be sympathetic to the plight of certain people affected, by grouping all 1950s women together in what is effectively a fight for inequality rather than against it. There could potentially be a backlash then from people who feel the petition misrepresented their aims.

MoneyWorry

Just read the Facebook page. Taking out the bits that read like a soap opera, the demand is for compensation as if 1995 and 2011 had never happened.

Pollycat

bmm78 wrote: »

I agree that 2011 is the issue, but on their facebook page WASPI are calling for all women born before 1960 to be entitled to a state pension age of 60?!?

Then that is doomed to failure & I would not have supported the petition.

MoneyWorry wrote: »

Just read the Facebook page. Taking out the bits that read like a soap opera, the demand is for compensation as if 1995 and 2011 had never happened.

If that is true, it's not what I understood the petition was about.

MoneyWorry

Unfortunately, the rhetoric is out there with individuals stating they have lost amounts in the region of £37000. This will do a big disservice to those whose SPA rose the most in the 2011 change.

brewerdave

I'm a 65 yr old male - and I want my SP backdated to age 60 plus interest.............what ? It's all SO UNFAIR:rotfl:

saver861

bmm78 wrote: »

This is effectively calling for the restoration of SPA to 60 for all women born before 1960. If this aim was clearly stated in the petition, I doubt the numbers would be close to what they are now. Many who are sympathetic to those given little notice before rises in SPA would baulk completely at the idea of throwing thousands of pounds at every 1950s woman, regardless of whether they had a case or not.

In my view, a good outcome from the campaign would be that those most impacted by an 18 month extension to their SPA would be reduced to 12 months.

I don't see anything that calls for a restoration for a spa of 60 for all those women born in the 50's and then going to 66 for those born in 1960. Clearly that won't happen.

As in any negotiation, you would not but your best bid in first.

If you or others want to establish what the intentions/meanings of the campaign then there is no better way than to contact them and get it from the horses mouth. The rest is just speculation.

mumps

saver861 wrote: »

In my view, a good outcome from the campaign would be that those most impacted by an 18 month extension to their SPA would be reduced to 12 months.

I don't see anything that calls for a restoration for a spa of 60 for all those women born in the 50's and then going to 66 for those born in 1960. Clearly that won't happen.

As in any negotiation, you would not but your best bid in first.

If you or others want to establish what the intentions/meanings of the campaign then there is no better way than to contact them and get it from the horses mouth. The rest is just speculation.

I agree with the bit in bold, I can't see that being impossible and it would make it much fairer.

I also agree with you about negotiation, its like house prices most people ask for a bit more than they think they will get, then the buyer offers a bit less than they are prepared to pay and then they settle somewhere in the middle. I know it doesn't always work like that but I think it is not uncommon.