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purpledonkey

Sunshinemummy wrote: »

Just popped on to say hello, hope everyone has had a good Christmas x

Special hugs to Nanny xxxx

We have had a doggy house guest over Christmas, she is a regular visitor to our house and has stayed a number of times for a few nights. She was supposed to go on Boxing day... she is still here.

The dog has gone from being a timid anxious shaking bundle, to bullying our dog. She keeps barging into her, and won't allow her to have any hugs etc. Our dog has become rather timid.

When I kept shouting our dog, she eventually came for a hug - only to be barged at and growled at. OH told the visiting dog off, and she flipping well went for him - snapping his hand.

She is now in the dog house aka conservatory. I have never wanted a house guest to leave so much. I am going put our dog in the living room over night as I don't trust the other dog.

We have noticed our dog has a growth on her leg, so we need to go to the vets tomorrow.

In my absence I have been watching Game of Thrones...... I did not realise that I was a prude.... the language is appalling and it is so rude... totally unnecessary (I think I am turning into my mum!!)

Agreed. No one needs to see f'ing Alfie f'ing Allen's male f'ing appendage ever!

Tinyshoes

David. wrote: »

Ellie give us a song before bed

As Ellie isn't here a song you say.

Afraid I am in nanny mode so here is my offering. And no it's not Tom Jones....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rvx002oq8Nk

squigs

David. wrote: »

Ellie give us a song before bed

I have a song!:)

This features Lemmy (RIP):A with the Rockin Vickers.
When I was a youngster, I lived a few doors down from Nick Gribbon and his little brother was one of my playmates.
I often used to be round at his house when the group were rehearsing.
I didn't realise at the time, that I was in the presence of a future giant of rock music!:):)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUf7pyVbwkI

purpledonkey

logie wrote: »

Evening all :wave:

Very stressful day here so I've had a good few glasses of wine this evening. Chest xray this morning to check nothing nasty has returned. Sure it'll be fine but got the mind whirring...
Took the boys to the seaside as a distraction. Had a nice day but then got a phonecall from Mum on the way home to say my Grandma had passed away. Put all into perspective

Sorry for your loss love x

Tinyshoes

Goodnight Elite. :A

Hopefully I won't be woken at 5am in the morning by DD1 chatting to Teeny and forgetting the rest of us were still asleep. :eek:

zagubov

Back from driving around town in increasingly stormy weather, and now catching up. FC sorry to hear your news. All I can offer is to repeat David's call to sleep, or to try to. And zag's unique patented dodgy hug.

Savvybuyer

logie wrote: »

Evening all :wave:

Very stressful day here so I've had a good few glasses of wine this evening. Chest xray this morning to check nothing nasty has returned. Sure it'll be fine but got the mind whirring...
Took the boys to the seaside as a distraction. Had a nice day but then got a phonecall from Mum on the way home to say my Grandma had passed away. Put all into perspective

Oh dear:( - just look after yourself and take care. It's always attempts to get away from things and then things like that happen. I'm so so sorry. Do look after yourself and seek support from whoever you need to (including people here). I know it's hard - although when it was with myself and my mother, I tried to convince myself otherwise and that was how I coped with it and it actually worked. So, maybe we ought to reject the common belief that things like this have to last for a certain time - but you will need time, both for yourself and for you and the other people around you. It's always hard (although maybe we ought to think it isn't) and things like this of course always happen. I just wish you as well as can be over the coming days. Take care.

Savvybuyer

Sunshinemummy wrote: »

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In my absence I have been watching Game of Thrones...... I did not realise that I was a prude.... the language is appalling and it is so rude... totally unnecessary (I think I am turning into my mum!!)

:rotfl::rotfl:
I am unaware of any language that is "appalling" at all (well, except perhaps a particular racist word used in an abusive context - that might well appall me if I were to encounter someone shouting that nastily at someone in public but I've never had that situation happen so have never been appalled) - there's nothing that has ever "appalled" me, not appalled me, made me extremely extremely uncomfortable on occasions yes, or hit me with absolute force, but never made me feel "appalled". It's like "dismay" - I don't find anything dismaying or regrettable (unless, in the case of the latter, I've said it myself). You know what? - I'm a prude in certain circumstances too.

And, that coming from you as well - that's a surprise as you're one of the rudest people on here!:rotfl: (I don't mean "rude" in any bad sense.)

I think the idea is that, if you don't like Game of Thrones or it becomes too much for you, switch it off! Some of us feel the opposite - that the more "extreme" something gets, the more over-the-top it becomes and actually, for us (possibly a minority? -but then we're all in a minority group of our own at some point), the "better" it is as the more funny it becomes, although I guess that is a male thing (and research from another country in the 1980s seems to show that).

I might start watching Game of Thrones now:rotfl:. Definitely if it is "appalling"! See if I'm appalled:rotfl:. (Don't think I will be!)

I know I find things unnecessary in certain circumstances (and really annoyed by them, even years later - I know, I shouldn't let it get to me but it sometimes does and depending on how often and repeated it's happened) - but I think, if someone thinks something is "unnecessary", I think it is absolutely, completely essential and necessary if only to make it completely impossible for others to continue watching what they find unnecessary and, maybe, "offensive". Do you use a mobile phone? Well, that's unnecessary. We could all use landlines. What about a settee or sofa? That's unnecessary too - we could sit down on chairs (with nice padded covers on them) instead. It's not essential or necessary to use a sofa. But it is nice. And, sometimes, things aren't "necessary" but they just are anyway. Why does something have to be "necessary"? And why, if something is "unnecessary", is it wrong? Sometimes things aren't "necessary" - they may just be superfluous. Neither your post nor mine are "necessary" in the context of money-saving thread. However, they just are.

As for "rudeness" through language, that is a total society creation and completely subjective. And sometimes things that are, supposedly, "rude", or may be considered "rude" or others may think are "rude", are far funnier precisely because they are (allegedly) "rude". I'm a man:doh:!

purpledonkey wrote: »

Agreed. No one needs to see f'ing Alfie f'ing Allen's male f'ing appendage ever!

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Savvybuyer

At least that diverted me off what I was going to post for a short time.

I've decided that "w*f" (and yes I now need that double supposed-indirectness although in fact the unasterisked abbreviation is a quite direct reference) is not something I would ever use on here - I would never print fully "w*f" as I wouldn't use the full three word phrase it means. So, no, it's not something I would do - and I usually get bothered by things that I wouldn't do in the same circumstances but someone else does. I notice that there was clearly never any intention to offend. I think I needed to go away and look at and see the actual full phrase in order (bizarrely) to mitigate it and have me laughing at it.

I've been thinking about it, as usual, and then again. I wasn't too happy about it over the last half hour, although I've recovered back to goodness again. I think it's because I've had people constantly putting in my mind and causing me upset (when in public) so much that I find it more annoying now than even actual swearing. That's the thing now - it's euphemisms (or what used to be) that bother me - as they just leave things now lingering on the mind! Euphemisms used to be inoffensive ways (or less offensive ways) of referring, but when something lingers on your mind and you start getting upset, then it is more offensive and no longer functions as a euphemism. I acknowledge too that other people need euphemisms (or, what for them, still function as euphemisms) as they generally find direct words wrong.

For me, the no-longer a euphemism is direct enough. As a person who has Asperger's, I'm not supposed to get subtlety or indirect communication - yet, even for me, this indirect way is completely clear and obvious. If there is an ambiguity, it's about whether the first word is "what", "why" or "when", and then simply has me thinking three different alternatives - three times the "offence"!

It's what's called the dysphemism treadmill and the euphemism treadmill in action both at the same time.

I've looked around the internet on this (of course) and one definitions page says that "!!!!!!" is a common form in everyday use on social media (there you are, I've decided to quote it and not be silly). However, the fact that something is commonplace and everyday doesn't necessarily make it right. The actual swearwords themselves, for some people, are everyday and that doesn't always make them right for other people. Speeding on the roads is commonplace (over 90% of people admit to it) yet that doesn't make it right. One article said that the abbreviations do not tend to be considered offensive. However, that only says they do not "tend" to be considered offensive, it does not mean they could not be considered offensive. I am of course picking that wording out very literally.

There's another word, which this website won't let me use even though it is not a swearword. That is with an "e" instead of the "u" - the article I've seen claims this is considered to be equally offensive. However, that was used a lot on Father Ted and yet the "u" version would not have been so I don't think that is the case. I think the "u" version, in some cases, clearly has more impact (and in the sense of causing some people emotional offence).

The article I saw suggests abbreviations aren't offensive; however that's clearly not true as someone wore a T-shirt on daytime television that used an abbreviation word such as one they gave on the website and Ofcom upheld complaints about that. I think my view is that, if you can't or won't use the full phrase, then the abbreviation shouldn't be used either. After all I suppose the aim is to create a place where everyone can enjoy things. (As usual, I have this rational analytical way of looking at things.)

Bizarrely, perhaps, I think the full phrase, because it carries more impact, would actually tend to impact on me so that it pushes me over the edge and into laughing. Whereas the abbreviation does not carry that impact, does not have me laughing always and just tends to annoy me more! That's the thing - abbreviations and references to swearing are now more offensive than swearing itself!

I think if someone says "effing" on here (apologies for the offence) - or elsewhere in normal life actually - apart from in the context above where it was actually funny (but what's funny to one person isn't to another) - it's people that use that euphemism now, or former euphemism, that have me likely to be spitting tacks at that...tskkkk!:mad::mad::rotfl: Grrr!!:rotfl: It's worse. If you actually say the real word, I ignore it and don't bother with it. But, when you say "effing" (grr:rotfl:), you simply cause me to pause, stop, think of the real word (whilst now not listening to anything you are now going on to say - I can't do both, my Asperger brain doesn't permit it:D:laugh:) and then leave that on my mind and I go absolutely livid sometimes! Not literally, but... grrrrrrr!!:rotfl: It causes me to stop and ponder over the real word for far longer than if you've just said it.

Same with the three letter abbreviation - you can't pretend it means anything else. It is very clear and specific. I laughed at it originally, but can't pretend I've not be going over it since and disliking it, but don't worry, I'm over it now!:rotfl: Just please, desist:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:! I'm sure someone won't and I'll laugh at it. The thing is, that if someone now tries to "taunt" me with it - by replying and repeating it over several times in a row, I'd just now laugh at that and not actually be taunted at all! And it's not even as if I necessarily consider the real phrase to be wrong - although I accept that it isn't allowed on here. I'd rather see the actual phrase:eek:. That's it - I've said I'd rather actual see the swearing!(:D:rotfl::rotfl: Sorry!) I know other people will of course think totally the opposite, and not entirely unreasonably, even if like my own states of botherdom (not today but years ago) it is in my view, quite irrationally.

I bet there are teachers who stop children from using the three-letter abbreviation that was used on this thread! However, that potentially makes it even worse for them, in the long run, in my view.

Anyway, enough of my post - I'm going! Don't worry, no hard feelings at all (someone I'm sure, somewhere, would have had hard feelings had the actual phrase been used) - and no need to apologise - if you apologise, I think you'll only have me going back over it again. I know people generally say an apology mitigates things - and it does but sometimes I get more annoyed by apologies drawing me back to it again:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:! I am weird (only I can call myself that;):cool:) and... different!:D

Love you all folks (where appropriate:D:rotfl:), and goodbye for now!:)

I'm alright!!

:wave:

EDIT: Thing is, I get 'annoyed' at it, then I start laughing, then I get annoyed and then, later, I laugh again!:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: It's just silly how that happens. Alright, I'll have a sound sleep now and rest my mind at night:cool:.

Savvybuyer

I think I will... if someone uses (what has commonly been supposed to be) euphemism around me in normal life now, I'm going to object to it and, just like they shouldn't say things around other people that other people object to, they shouldn't say things around me that I object to (for any, or no, reason). It really does tend to annoy me nowadays. So I'm not having it:rotfl::rotfl:. (That is not saying that I am always comfortable with non-euphemism - although euphemism itself is probably really non-euphemism now.) Does it make sense? Probably not. And I also don't know where it leads when you can neither talk about the 'real thing' nor refer to it in any other way.

I think, generally now, I'd rather people - if it were allowed and they could - said exactly what they meant. I'd not bother with it and would generally be okay - or, even, possibly more okay than their annoying "euphemism" that nowadays now fails to function as such. When people say exactly what they mean - and I know anyway through the 'euphemism' so it's pointless (and just has me going into what they really meant more and getting annoyed by it) - the use of what they actually mean just clears the air for me and then I'm 'satisfied' and not even bothered much at all by it.

Clear the air:
http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/clear+the+air
"...2. Fig. to get rid of doubts or hard feelings. All right, let's discuss this frankly. It'll be better if we clear the air.

[So-called explicit language is often considered to be "frank".]


[...]
clear the air

Eliminate confusion, dispel controversy or emotional tension,[...]"

Precisely. I rest my case!
[EDIT: Actually, controversy won't be "dispelled" I'm sure! I'm sure it would do the opposite as some would object, but let's ignore that and instead - the other two!]

I can't now say what I'm really thinking as the website won't allow it:rotfl::rotfl:. So, I'll leave you annoyingly trying to guess!

D'oh - I should not even have mentioned that, then you'd never have known. Suffice to say it's nothing directly abusive to anyone but just adding a bit of an intensifier in there:rotfl:.

Here's the 'clean' version:
I wish people would say what they meant.

But then...:doh: I suppose I do have Asperger's:rotfl::rotfl:, so perhaps I would!(:laugh:) (Notice how there's no pausing or blanking in there either, as that's not clean!:D:rotfl: I do not use dots at any point to imply anything! If you see me using dots on here, it is always literally a pause and doesn't imply anything. Otherwise, if there was something missing, I would have put it as "[...]", with spaces either side, rather than straight "..." with no space in front and, usually, a space after it. The pedantic and precise style there!)

There's not usually any doubt anyway, what people mean when they use "euphemism". If there is doubt, then it's probably more likely to arise for me: as someone who has Asperger's, I see numerous possible meanings to things (and then can't decide which one someone wants me to do:rotfl:) whereas most people tend to see just one! But where doubt or confusion is created: (a) it gives rise to misunderstanding and has me caused upset from that as I think they might mean something else which would have bothered me more - and indeed does bother me since I (wrongly, importantly wrongly) think they meant that; or (b) it has me wondering about what they did mean and I'd just rather I had the whole thing settled onto one clear, precise thing (even if it is too clear and precise for many people!:rotfl: My reaction over knowing things specifically that might bother other people is just to shrug my shoulders and say "oh well, so what!":rotfl:)

Thank you folks, just not for anything, but just for your being here:).

(EDIT: I think double entendre has still a place for, and it can be funny - nothing wrong, even now, as such, with that - the thing is that there are, as suggested, two possible meanings, one of which is an innocent (that you know it doesn't really mean but you can comfort and console yourself in, which is essential sometimes) but the 'trouble' is that the euphemisms are, whilst someone may claim they meant something else - in which case my retort:p, no, reply:rotfl:, is "well, if that was the case, why didn't you say exactly what you meant?" - they are very specific and clearly do not have a second or third meaning - there's no point pretending you were trying to mean something else. I'm sorry - Asperger Savvy does not accept that contention! I'm not going to have pretence or lies. Just will not cut it, okay?:D)

Goodnight! (I'd better go as I've got Morrisons early doors:eek: as well!):rotfl::wave: