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Dizzy_Ditzy

Tinyshoes wrote: »

3 pages. :eek: I had all mine on one page although none of the cooking was on it that's on Mr TS's mind map organised into the different meals like a military operation. :eek:

Most of the time my lists are in my head which is why I forget things.

I will try and find it in the morning I think it was still attached in the pad and when he was tidying his "side" I think he packed it away. As I am not really a list person so it has not made me panic losing it. I just wanted the satisfaction of ticking things off.

It is 3 separate pages all set out as I think it should be - to do, food and rooms. It's just easier for me for it to be set out like that.

The last big food shop I did was a list nightmare. I had to list it by aisle and order of reaching said aisle otherwise I'd forget and end up running all over the store to get bits I'd missed

Tinyshoes

queen_of_cheap wrote: »

It is 3 separate pages all set out as I think it should be - to do, food and rooms. It's just easier for me for it to be set out like that.

The last big food shop I did was a list nightmare. I had to list it by aisle and order of reaching said aisle otherwise I'd forget and end up running all over the store to get bits I'd missed

That was me on Sunday with my food list in no particular order, running from one end of store to the other just before closing. :rotfl:

I even remembered I had forgotten something that wasn't on the list when I got to the checkout. SA was lovely though and said he would start packing while I went and got it. :A

Tinyshoes

Going to say Goodnight everyone, battery is low on lappie and I have not brought charger upstairs.

Goodnight QoC :A

Dizzy_Ditzy

Tinyshoes wrote: »

Going to say Goodnight everyone, battery is low on lappie and I have not brought charger upstairs.

Goodnight QoC :A

Night lovely, hope you find your list

Savvybuyer

queen_of_cheap wrote: »

So Savvy, it's censored swearing that gets you rather than the actual words?

If you listened to Eminem CD for example you'd be fine because the swear words are there, but if you heard the same song but radio edit, it would get you?

Could you watch celebrity juice with swearing in all its glory so to speak, but not Jeremy Kyle because it's all bleeped out?

Depends where I am listening and whom with (or not with).

I've concluded - and this is after many years - that, yes, it's actually the radio versions that are worse. I've been caught by Eminem numerous times in the gym and every one of his songs aired there has left me severely uncomfortable offence. One of them - the word eventually (nine years too late, when I heard the original in the 'comfort' of my own home and with no-one else listening) turned out to be a medical term for a particular thing, which is not offensive and would not have caused me offence - even though, maybe, people (probably including myself) would not want younger children to hear it - but unfortunately it came across as one of the severe swearwords for me for a female body part and made me uncomfortable at the radio version now suggesting that. It's almost always the "worst" word it possibly could be in the context of the surrounding material. On the rare occasions where it does not seem to be specific, you are (or rather I am?) then going through three or more words, thinking them all and wondering which one it was.

It's very complicated: in some circumstances, I like the 'censored' version of some songs more, because they are 'worse' and because they make it sound so bad ("so bad it's good") but in other circumstances, where I'm caused offence, when other people are hearing it around me, obviously to make it worse is good to experience at all.

As for Jeremy Kyle these days, as opposed to twenty years ago, I don't know: I used to be okay with bleeping - my problem isn't with bleeping but it is only when strangers are around - I've never had a problem with hearing bleeped broadcasts with my parents, as a child, at home. However, these non-bleeped methods, altered sounds, blanking etc., do not have the same effect and I've never been okay with those when other people are hearing them. One of them, Lily Allen, was worse. The uncensored version she turned out to say it in a 'cheeky' way and I laughed at it. However, the radio version (which caused me offence on three separate airings in the gym) removed that and was telling me the word and that it was offensive material. It left me uncomfortable. My bugbear with that is that she does *not* say "very fantastic", instead they use the signature sound of the swearword which is unacceptable. It removes the impact of making me laugh (though I doubt I would laugh in an 'open' environment like a gym (I reckon I would probably be severely hit by the uncensored word there) as opposed to at a cinema film in the cinema) and instead it's no longer funny, but the meaning is retained and the song, in that form, when heard with other people, is offensive. They do not get her to sing "very fantastic", instead they retain the swearing material, where the signature sound version of the word is present in the explicit radio version that they call "clean" and accordingly is not okay. I find it offensive. I would not behave in that way myself - by bursting into a room, shouting across the entire room (as music is transmitted across the whole room) and saying "so" and then suggesting the swearword and then saying "fantastic". I would say "so fantastic" or "so very fantastic" but *not* "so [and then the implication of the word]" and then "fantastic". There is an important difference, and it is not a way in which I would communicate. I would neither say the word nor even begin to or suggest it. The "secret" silent communication of it makes me uncomfortable and has me bothered with the radio version long after the word was annoyingly communicated to me and put right into my head. Instead of it being merely on speakers many metres away, it is right on top of me and I find it more intrusive, more violating and more bothersomely problematic.

I think I'd be okay with bleeped Jeremy Kyle, if it is at home but not in gym or shop or hairdressers. However, I don't know as these things I find it merely reinforces the language and makes me lose all the context of the programme. The only thing I remember is the swearing and nothing else of the actual programme. Whereas an unbleeped version does not distract me. See also http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/comp-reports/ecu/panorama090215 (I didn't complain about this programme).

In fact, I had a bleeped programme the other night on the News Channel - watching alone - but had to switch it off ten minutes before the end because all I was getting from it was the swearing. Every word bar one was clear - and the only doubt was about one word - and I suspect it was a "milder" word even though I thought of a "strong" one. It doesn't matter what they do - they can bleep over the entire word, they can cover their mouths with huge blocks - and I will still know. In fact - and if I were to encounter this situation in the gym (which won't happen because I can't physically go there anymore) - and I would complain to them then - I think a version that had a block over the mouth would be even more problematic.

This is because, from standing perhaps 20 metres away from the television, I cannot lipread from that distance. (Although I can hear the soundtrack, which is the problem because it contains the signatures of the words, sounds too close or otherwise points it out - and it's always obvious or seems so! The more minor the edit, in other words, the more fine them material is, the tiniest remnant remaining in the sound, the more I will notice it. I absolutely dredge them up from the soundtrack. Bizarrely, the more of the word that is "removed", the more it stands out and the more problematic it is - although any alteration is problematic for me: I've concluded that there is no way that an original soundtrack can ever be altered and make me unaware. They need to go back into the studio and resing the whole song, used only 'clean' lyrics throughout - as the 'implication of swearing' material does not constitute "clean". No matter how many record companies or people assert or label their material to claim it to be so without substantiation. It is not clean in my view and I would never have described it as making it "clean" - I was surprised when I discovered that that was the description they gave to them. It is not clean unless I cannot tell from the soundtrack that there was ever any swearing in the original at all and cannot be aware or given any perception or thought of any kind whatsoever that there was ever any: so that James Blunt's song, which says "flying high", would constitute a clean version but not many other songs - they used to do clean versions back in my day when they would reword songs, nowadays they don't make many of them - even assuming the original to be "dirty" (which I don't accept either).)

Anyway, I lost my point! Again:rotfl:.
From 20 metres away, I can't lipread (although the soundtrack is the problem). However, from that distance, in the gym, I could see a block over the mouth. I can confirm that I would find that more problematic. Even assuming that I am not aware of the soundtrack (which I am but let's assume I'm not), and thus not aware of the word from that, with a block over the mouth, problematically broadcast at the very same time, now I am absolutely aware of the soundtrack and, if I could pretend before that other people had missed it, which I need to do in order to make myself be comfortable with it, I cannot possibly pretend, with the block displayed prominently to me and seen by all around me, at the same time, problematically too, that they could not possibly have missed and been unaware of the word it meant and, therefore, I would feel even more uncomfortable as well as annoyed and caused offence. I think. It would be problematic if that black block was shown at the same time. I can see the block from metres away. If anything, they should put a block over the mouth at any other parts of the song so that I could be distracted away from the signature or silent swearing (which sounds loudly in my head) in the soundtrack rather than problematically making it even more clear and impossible to pretend no-one noticed the swearing lyric.

Btw, these so-called "clean" versions (their word, not mine and I don't accept that description) still contain swearing even if they do not contain swear words. It is not necessary to be a word in order to amount to "swearing". For example, flicking a V-sign (of the 'wrong' type) at someone could be considered to be "swearing" at them. You do not have to use words. It can be gestures. The implying of something to me, which btw is also annoying, is a gesture and it is an offensive one. I find it offensive whether or not you do! I take exception to it, as I do not wish to know the words when I am around other people and such material is making me uncomfortable because of its meaning. Part of the sound is censored but the meaning is not. It will do no good as the offence is not in the sound, it is in the meaning - merely the fact that it means the word regardless of what that word means in the context of the phrase it which it is being used or implied. Although sexually explicit phrases are worse, and better (depends where you are listening and whom with or not).

As for "language", it is still "language" even if it is not a word. "Language" means "any method of communication". You can have sign language or body language (not that I know the latter:rotfl::rotfl:) and they do not have to involve spoken words. So, accordingly, a blanked part still constitutes "language".

It does not censor the language, nor does it censor the word - except in cases in which it replaces it by material that puts into mind a different word than the original one (usually more severe than it) in which case it does censor the original word but the material, depending on where I am listening and whom with, is now (potentially) more offensive. It has happened to me on at least ten occasions - several of which, it turned out later (too late!), the original word was not one that would have caused me offence - examples include the words "weed", "bullet", "gun"... clearly I would not offended by those:rotfl: - but the altered material came across as far worse and caused me, or helped in conjunction with other edits in the same song, to cause me offence by the end of it all. Personally I now think - in jest - that they should censor Bohemian Rhapsody by Queen - I think the *only* use of non-bleeped censoring is for clear comedic purposes, in order to send-up censorship itself, as it is otherwise useless - even then, I would not wish to hear it with other people. There was a comedy performance on BBC Four once, and it muted the words. I just sat there, struggling to laugh and not being pushed over the edge or doing so, which I needed - the uncensored version would probably have done that, but the muted version just took it all away. It neutralised it there and took out the amusement - I was struggling to laugh and never doing so. Now, had it been bleeped and if that had left the impact in, such as needed sounds of the words around the bleep, then that might have had the impact and been funny or, even, funnier.

But - comedically - I think they ought to censor Bohemian Rhapsody - "mama, just ****ed a man, put a *** against his head, pulled my *****er now he's ****".:rotfl::rotfl:
How worse (or better:D) is that? That first bit particular. Looks like the F-word instead of killed!

Or - definitely - following the standards applied to contemporary music - they ought to censor that harmful, explicit song from James Bond: "The Man with the Golden ***".

In fact, James Bond is far more harmful (I am not being wholly serious) because calling the gun (apologies for offence) "golden" makes it respectful, glamourous and appealing to children. Clearly however what we need to censor is - I once heard a rap record - fortunately alone at home, late at night - where they censored the lyric "put your **** away". That is the word "guns" btw - I've never heard the original! They made it sound like the C-word, because they left what sounded like the "un" part intact. Maybe they did it that way for an attempt at a joke. Indeed, I initially kept thinking of that word on each altered sound - the lyric was repeated - until, eventually, I twigged it was the word "guns". So, I've got - what I believe to be - the original lyric anyway, so the censorship has been ineffective. Clearly it is wrong to put guns away! It's done without regard to context - maybe the message of the censorship there is that we should get guns out and kill people since putting guns away is obviously so wrong! And that's what immature minds might take away from it.

Anon

Ampdewd wrote: »

Hello. Do we know if A has got rid of the new APG system? Or have I found one of a few stores that hasn't implemented it yet? The SS checkout in a different store I used today insisted I scanned the small barcode at the top, before calling the SS assistant like it used to, and it appears as Manufacturers Coupon rather than APG on the receipt. Took me by surprise, but I hadn't set foot in A for a fortnight.

There are both systems still out there - near me a few have changed over and one is still on the old system (or a hybrid). The new system seems to have a fair few bugs - twice now I have bought the Roasts, they scanned on a staffed till fine then it cancelled them off and they had to put through as Manufacturer coupons. The store that is still on the old system has had a part update as they have had all sorts of problems with the tills freezing.

A bit of a mess really.

Anon

wendyak

Sarahdol75 wrote: »

Thankyou everyone for your kind wishes.

We have been out for a lovely meal with the family, im stuffed now.

A huge relief.

OH got a frozen turkey today, but its massive and I dont think its going to defrost in time, so think will be making a trip to asda tomorrow to see if they have reduced any.

I also panicked about defrosting time so googled it and it should be water defrosted....steeped in water which is changed every hour for eight hours .....I'm giving it a go !!!!

purpledonkey

Free B micellar wipes at Superdrug when you spend a fiver on selected skincare today only (for beauty card members). Not the most exciting deal but hope it helps someone!

http://www.superdrug.com/search?q=%3aname-asc%3asuperdrugGeneralPromotionText%3aFree+B.+Micellar+Wipes+when+you+spend+£5+on+selected+Skincare

wendyak

OMG just found that I still have a click & collect to get, really thought I'd got it but then realised I couldn't have done so a trip to T in the morning......was going anyway coz I'm sure that frozen turkey isn't big enough .....put me on the list. lol xxx nite nite all xxxxxxxxxxx

mhoc

Yes I am still awake, far too much going on

When it was obvious that sleep was not happening I got up again.
I fed 2 cats and one has gone to bed, the other wants attention and is pestering
I set out the ingredients and tools needed for the lemon cheesecake which us bring made by eldest child - also found the missing rolling pin.
And a garlic press I did not know I had but won't be needed for lemon cheesecake.
I drained a can of black cherries and steeped them in a bowl with some port - a bit experimental but these are going in a trifle
I went to look for a bottle of mulled wine but instead found an unopened coffee liquor and half a bottle of crabbies mulled wine, vintage unknown. OH might object if I go scrabbling around looking for stay mulled wine in the bottom of the wardrobe tonight

And now I am drinking my hot chocolate and having a catch up, I still have to shave the legs as I gave been roped into swimming this afternoon, mainly because I could not think if a reason on as to why I could not go

The joys of 1.30 in the morning