Parking on the Pavement.

JP08

robbies_gal wrote: »

we lve in a cul de sac -the end of the road is very narrow and it would block vehicles coming through if they didnt park halfway on pavement

In that situation, they shouldn't be parking there at all, though, should they ?

robbies_gal wrote: »

i do get its frustrating for pedestrians but we dont have alot of people walking down our road

I take it nobody living in or visiting your street needs a mobility scooter or has kids in pushchairs ...

robbies_gal wrote: »

What goes around-comes around

Ironic ?

bowlhead99

JP08 wrote: »

If the pavement is too narrow for a car to be partly on and still allow the passage of a mobility scooter then a car should not be parked there.

Nobody "has" to park in a particular place / road. There is always an option. Ok - the options might not be very nice - live without a car, park further away, pay for a parking space in a communal facility or where someone has spare space -, but they are options.

Nobody "has" to drive a mobility scooter down a particular place/ road. There is always an option. Ok - the options might not be very nice - use a different route, visit an alternate destination, live somewhere else so that you have no cause to travel down that road, pay for taxis - but they are options.





Tis the season for egg nog so time to break out the devil's advocaat.

JP08

Bowlhead, cruel and cutting parody with a good strapline. Gonna give you a "Thank You" for that one even if it is being a git :beer:

forgotmyname

Very true though. I was parked in an access road delivering to a shop when a guy stopped behind and just sat there. After a few minutes i jumped down from the lorry and said i will be a long time, several pallet loads.

He said OK but i will have to move soon as the school run will start...

I thought why will i have to move because of the school run? Its an access road to the dozen or so small shops where you can enter and exit at either end so not blocking anyone in.

Is someone doing the school run more important than my delivery?
If it's anything like my area they all probably live a few hundred yards from teh school yet still drive even though it takes longer than walking.

derrick

BykerSands wrote: »

Why have you posted legislation relating to London. Elsewhere in the country you'd need an actual necessary or wilful obstruction to take action.

As for your other link about driving elsewhere than on a road. Do you know the footpath is a road?

Whilst rule 244,(legislation), mentions "MUST NOT" for London, it also says "Should Not" elsewhere, From the introduction; "Although failure to comply with the other rules of the Code will not, in itself, cause a person to be prosecuted, The Highway Code may be used in evidence in any court proceedings under the Traffic Acts (see The road user and the law) to establish liability. This includes rules which use advisory wording such as ‘should/should not’ or ‘do/do not’."

Rule 145, (Legislation), says:
You MUST NOT drive on or over a pavement, footpath or bridleway except to gain lawful access to property, or in the case of an emergency.


A footpath is not a road, it is for pedestrians, not motor vehicles, and Rule 145 forbids driving on one anywhere, to park on one you must have driven on to it,(unless a pedant is going to say you could push it on).

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JP08

I guess to be prosecuted for driving on the pavement there would have to be clear evidence that you DID do it, not just working on the basis to have got the car there you MUST have committed the offence ...

dannyrst

Once again, this is something that requires a common sense approach.

Parking with two wheels on a kerb isn't an issue, aslong as there is a need to do it (i.e. narrow road) and it isn't excessive (i.e. wheelchair/pushchair access isn't impeded).

I walk to work and because of restrictions on parking, many people park on the main road outside. Most park with four wheels on the road, some park with two wheels just on the kerb. A small number block half of the pavement with their car. Given the weather and size of pavement, it forces me to walk around the car in the road (not going to happen) or side step through the leaves and dirt on the ground. Lovely.

I don't see a need to impose yellow lines everywhere, I think if you allow local residents to propose restrictions on parking on the kerb and have these go through a review process, you can then dertermine the best way to tackle people parking in that area. For example, should the road be a clearway, should it have double yellow lines, should a sign for no parking on the kerb be put up?

BykerSands

derrick wrote: »

Whilst rule 244,(legislation), mentions "MUST NOT" for London, it also says "Should Not" elsewhere, From the introduction; "Although failure to comply with the other rules of the Code will not, in itself, cause a person to be prosecuted, The Highway Code may be used in evidence in any court proceedings under the Traffic Acts (see The road user and the law[/URL]) to establish liability. This includes rules which use advisory wording such as ‘should/should not’ or ‘do/do not’."

Rule 145, (Legislation), says:
You MUST NOT drive on or over a pavement, footpath or bridleway except to gain lawful access to property, or in the case of an emergency.


A footpath is not a road, it is for pedestrians, not motor vehicles, and Rule 145 forbids driving on one anywhere, to park on one you must have driven on to it,(unless a pedant is going to say you could push it on).

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Rule 145 is not legislation, it's is part of the Highway Code a just a guide.

The footpath is part of a road, clearly defined as such under the Road Traffic Act (Legislation).

Johno100

dannyrst wrote: »

Once again, this is something that requires a common sense approach.

You aren't going to get common sense from a council if they can see a new revenue stream coming online.

Manxman_in_exile

Isn’t parking on the pavement only a problem if it causes an obstruction?

When we moved to the city where we currently live we were surprised to see that everyone on our street parked with two wheels on the pavement. We asked our neighbours about the legality of this and were told that it was accepted locally as otherwise emergency vehicles couldn’t gain access, and they were right. (I should add that the streets locally are narrow and the pavements relatively wide, allowing pedestrians to pass without obstruction).

We still live in the same city, but on a different road, and although cars don’t have to park on the pavement on one side of the road, they have to park wholly on the pavement on the other side, again to allow emergency access. And we were all grateful for this a few years ago when a decorator using a blow-lamp set fire to a neighbour’s house and ended up gutting two properties. Fortunately the fire service eventually extinguished the blaze but only because they could get a fire tender along the road.

There’s also a NHS hospice/palliative care unit on our road and, so far as I know, wheelchair users have no difficulty negotiating the pavements as we often see relatives, friends and staff taking patients for a breath of fresh air.

Regarding the suggestion to park elsewhere, there is no elsewhere. It’s a relatively densely populated urban area and all the roads and streets in the vicinity have the same problems (or worse) or have parking restrictions.