UKPC & county court business centre form received

System

Have you sent in a Part 18 request for further and better particulars? If not do so now.

Here are some of the questions you need answered

1. Copy of the Contract they had in place at the relevant times with the landowner, agent or occupier.
2. Copies of the signs and their location within the site
3. Copies of the tickets they claim were placed on the car at the times claimed
4. Time stamped photos of the above.
5. Details of the installation and maintenance regime for the signs at the location

They may not provide it but these are the items that are in their Witness Statements they provide 14 days before the hearing so there is no excuse not to provide them as they have them.

@TheDeep
I am not out of date username,

Here is an opportunity for you to show your uptodate skills TD

Umkomaas

IamEmanresu wrote: »

Here are some of the questions you need answered.

1. Copy of the Contract they had in place at the relevant times with the landowner, agent or occupier.
2. Copies of the signs and their location within the site
3. Copies of the tickets they claim were placed on the car at the times claimed
4. Time stamped photos of the above.
5. Details of the installation and maintenance regime for the signs at the location

UKPC should have no problem with that one. 'What time would you like on it, Sir?'

Here is an opportunity for you to show your uptodate skills TD

:rotfl:

Bobby2k2

Umkomaas wrote: »

UKPC should have no problem with that one. 'What time would you like on it, Sir?'

:rotfl:

:rotfl:What jokers

Bobby2k2

IamEmanresu wrote: »

Have you sent in a Part 18 request for further and better particulars? If not do so now.

Here are some of the questions you need answered



They may not provide it but these are the items that are in their Witness Statements they provide 14 days before the hearing so there is no excuse not to provide them as they have them.

Thank you kindly for this. I am in the process of submitting a part 18 request directly to the claimant's solicitor as we speak and will include the questions you have provided above. Do you think this will be sufficient or should I go for the formal route using N244 (and paying £50)

Secondly, I will need to file a defense next week for it to be processed in time (especially because of the holidays) If I do not receive a response in time then do you know if I can still use any info they do provide (after the fact) to my advantage if it does go to court?

Lastly, I need to give a 'reasonable' date by which a response should be served... Is 24/12/2015 reasonable? This will give me enough time to strengthen my defense should more information be forth coming.

Sorry for all the questions

Umkomaas

Sorry, I can't answer the specific Part 18 questions you raise (no real experience to offer), but a suggestion for this part of your post.

Lastly, I need to give a 'reasonable' date by which a response should be served... Is 24/12/2015 reasonable? This will give me enough time to strengthen my defense should more information be forth coming.

Give them until 31st December which at this time of the year is effectively the same as 24th December as they're likely to be closed during the dates between. This gives them 13 days.

Not only does this look more 'reasonable' (but effectively gives them no more time), but it also gives you a bit of satisfaction that you'll be giving one of their employees a bit of extra indigestion over the festive period as he will have this on his mind 'to do' sharpish on return to work after the holiday break!

Bobby2k2

HO87 wrote: »

By all means post your acknowledgement of service form but that might just go missing. You can log on - using the details shown on the front of the Particulars of Claim (PoC) - together with the password - and acknowledge service on line. That is far less likely to be missed and is done now (or at least at the time you do it) rather than risking a delay in the Christmas post. You will need to register with and obtain a Government Gateway ID before you can log on to the courts' side of things. All of the instructions are on the form.

Once you have acknowledged service of the PoC you have a further 14 days (on top of those you had on service of the PoC) within which to file a defence. Filing a defence does not mean that you cannot back out or negotiate a settlement later and that initial defence could be based on bullet points and need not be over-detailed. There is no rush for you to do this whilst you gather some advice and decide which way you would like to go.

The fact that UKPC are pursuing you for £600 suggests that there are more than one PCN involved but without further detail we can't assist any further at this stage.

Hi guys

I have filed my part 18 request on the 18/12 and I am also in receipt of the land registry details which means I can identify the land owner and verify if they are party to the contract with UK Parking Control (as soon as the respond to the part 18 request).

All the other forms are being submitted online and the next deadline to meet is submitting my defence.

The part I am struggling with is what format should my initial defence take AND how much info is needed.

HO87 has indicated that it can be based on bullet points and that is what I intend to do. At this stage do I also need to include past cases that I may want to refer to or is it just a skeleton argument that is needed? I am worried that my defence may be too brief :eek:


Thanks in advance

System

Defences are two stage.

You send yours in covering all the points in the Part 18

I believe that

UKPC did not have a ....Contract ...in place at the relevant times with the landowner, agent or occupier. .....I require them to produce an unredacted copy of any claim they say they have that allows them to take action in their own name

UKPC did not have ....signs ...... within the site that were capable of being read and/or form a contract.

UKPC did not put tickets on the car and I require them to produce....copies of the tickets they claim were placed on the car at the times claimed

.... Time stamped photos of the above.

.... Details of the installation and maintenance regime for the signs at the location

They will then come back with either a reply to the Part 18 or a full claim 14 days before any hearing date that has been set. That date can be 10 - 13 days in the future and that is when you can put in a more comprehensive defence.

They are using the court system to fish for the waverers or those that will spill all the information UKPC need to fill in the blanks. So only put in the "limbs of a defence" that you can use later.

There may be other limbs to be added so others may want to comment too.

Fruitcake

Have you purchased the Parking-Prankster's court guide? I'm told it only costs a few quid and is very good.

Bobby2k2

IamEmanresu wrote: »

Defences are two stage.

You send yours in covering all the points in the Part 18



They will then come back with either a reply to the Part 18 or a full claim 14 days before any hearing date that has been set. That date can be 10 - 13 days in the future and that is when you can put in a more comprehensive defence.

They are using the court system to fish for the waverers or those that will spill all the information UKPC need to fill in the blanks. So only put in the "limbs of a defence" that you can use later.

There may be other limbs to be added so others may want to comment too.

Thanks for this and all your help thus far.

Defence now submitted

Bobby2k2

Hi guys

I have now received the N180 /Directions questionnaire in the post.

I have have started to complete it and intend to return it within the allocated time.

Part A1 of the form asks about mediation - Does anyone know if it is worth going down this route. I am a bit cautious as I do not want to show a weakness to the other side.