Parking firm is member of IPC. What's procedure?

CellinoOut

Hi

I've been handed a ticket by "Parking & Property Management Ltd" for parking in a visitors' bay while visiting a block of flats. It's always been and still is clearly marked "For Visitors Only".
However, around 3 weeks ago the parking firm put up one of their signs.

How do I amend the standard appeal to the firm below?
And should I appeal to the IAS if it gets to that stage?

Thanks

I challenge this 'PCN' as keeper of the car and I will complain to the landowner about the matter if it is not cancelled.

I believe that the signs were not seen/are ambiguous and the terms unclear to drivers before they park.

There will be no admissions as to who was driving and no assumptions can be drawn. You must either rely on the POFA 2012 and offer me a POPLA code, or cancel the charge.

{ADD TEXT HERE if you can attach a retailer receipt or Blue Badge: 'e.g. 'An occupant of the car is disabled...' or 'The driver was a genuine patron of xxxx' (retailer, hotel) or similar}.

I have kept proof of submission of this appeal and look forward to your reply.

Redx

yes you should appeal it by amending that template but not revealing details on the driver (many fools do)

the IAS is a kangaroo court, either you appeal and lose, or you dont bother, your choice

chances are any appeals will be turned down anyway

The_Deep

Appeal, they will reject, appeal to the IAS, they will reject. ignore. easy peasy.

CellinoOut

You must either rely on the POFA 2012 and offer me a POPLA code, or cancel the charge.

As this bit doesn't apply (being IAS rather than Popla) what do I put in its stead?

Half_way

If you must go to the IAS you should demand that the PPC provide a fully complaint ADR regulation appeals service, whilst the IAS may bleat about being registered/recognised they dont comply.
You can register with something, you can be recognised but compliance is a completely different kettle of fish.
Likewise any challenge to the IAS should mention that you expect them to fully comply with the regulations

Redx

read parking pranksters ADR blog dated 30 oct 2015

CellinoOut

Magic.
Thank you to everyone who replied. You have been extremely helpful.

CellinoOut

Hi
Just to return to this:

I appealed to the parking company along the lines suggested in the Parking Prankster blog (ie, that the IAS does not meet the statutory requirements for an ADR entity).

The parking company sent me a letter (unsigned), dismissing my appeal, insisting the IAS is an appropriate ADR entity and making clear that if I wish to appeal further, it must be via the IAS.

Given that the consensus on this forum is that appealing to the IAS is a waste of my time, what's the advice on what I should do now?

a) Send a follow-up letter to the parking company (cut-and-pasted from the foot of this Parking Prankster blog post, under the section IPC Members); or
b) Ignore them and have a Merry Xmas instead?

Thanks in advance
CellinoOut

The_Deep

Do not forget to accuse them of v.a.t. evasion.

This company appears to have a problem with v.a.t. If, as they claim, this is contractual charge, it is a fee for parking, and thus vatable. Have they accounted for vat on their paper work?

Ask them for a vat invoice. If they ignore your request, (which they probably will), it is a useful stick with which to beat them if it ever gets to court.

More reading here

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5033796=

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5195437

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5087925=

If you suspect tax evasion report it to the fraud hot line here

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5087925&highlight

CellinoOut

To update this:
I've now received a Claim Form from Northampton County Court.
Previous appeals have been in the name of the registered keeper (my mother, who's 82) and the Claim Form is addressed to her.
What to do?
As much as I don't want to cave in, I am tempted to draw a line under it as a) it's been dragging on for 10 months and b) I certainly don't want to put my mother through court.

(Mods: this appeared on another poster's thread but I was advised to start a thread of my own, so I've returned to my previous thread).

Redx

you did the correct thing in returning to this thread then

as for YOU receiving this claim , no you have not , as you have correctly stated its in your elderly mothers name , so as you seem to be acting on her behalf (which you can do for the paperwork but she as defendant must sign the papers , she must deal with it and she must attend local court if necessary) -presumably one in London

my point ?

legally its in her name and without power of attorney you cannot stand for her (but you can help her as a lay rep)

post #1 of the NEWBIES sticky thread, court sub-section tells her (you) how to handle it

also read the parking pranksters court guide

and use the forum search box and suitable search words to find 2016 court case threads, read about two dozens and then form the skeleton (holding) defence (maybe looking at the one in the kayleigh thread you posted in for guidance and inspiration)

she will not be going to Northampton as there is no court for her there, she (you) will nominate a local court further down the process in the directions questionnaire , so one local to her (which wont be in Northampton unless she lives there)

Northampton is a bulk handling centre for MCOL, could just as easily have been chosen to be Workington or Gateshead or Portsmouth , but the government have chosen Northampton for issuing the paperwork but she (you) will chose a court local to her (you)

the PPC had 6 years to bring an MCOL, so 10 months is nothing compared to the 72 months they are allowed

if replying on here, state what has happened , to the person it has happened to , not you , because you are merely a helper in this court case and saga, so the letters are not addressed to you and legally the person named must deal with them

so none of this I business

most of your other post is inaccurate or completely incorrect

unless you named the driver then your mother as keeper may be held responsible , clearly she probably isnt the driver unless she is still able bodied and has a valid driving license, so this may form part of her defence (ie:- not the driver)

HELP!
1) I'm in a similar position as the OP.

2) I'm in dispute with Parking & Property and have received a Claim Form from Northampton County Court.

3) Previous appeals have been in the name of the registered keeper (my mother, who's 82) and the Claim Form is addressed to her.

What to do?
As much as I don't want to cave in,

4) I've no intention of dragging her from London to a court appearance in Northampton.

1) no you are not , your mother is

2) no you are not , your mother is and your mother received the court claim form (MCOL), not you

3) correct, your mother has always been the person contacted , as Registered Keeper and therefore responsible for the vehicle in her name

4) its just a processing centre and none of you are going to Northampton , they dont provide anywhere for you to go , its just a paper handling online data centre