Warning to all cashiers etc

hollydays

Edwood_Woodwood wrote: »

Surely one wouldn't go to large stores then, like Asda & Iceland, as they have machines to check the notes. Can't even use a £50 note in Asda self serve machines.

Criminals aren't necessarily overendowed with the little grey cells.
It clearly wasn't checked or it would have been seized.

sheramber

Shrimply wrote: »

Which has got nothing to do with whether or not they can be used to pay for goods. Scottish notes are legal currency which is all that really matters here.

Neither are English notes

http://www.scotbanks.org.uk/legal_position.php

Scottish Banknotes are legal currency – i.e. they are approved by the UK Parliament. However, Scottish Bank notes are not Legal Tender, not even in Scotland. In fact, no banknote whatsoever (including Bank of England notes!) qualifies for the term 'legal tender' north of the border and the Scottish economy seems to manage without that legal protection.

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Hi,

Shrimply wrote: »

The scam was using a large note for a small purchase, the fact the note was Scottish added to the cashiers uncertainty because they are not seen as often.

so what happens when a shopper has spent all £1 coins, £5'rs, £10'rs and £20's and only has a £50 or possibly £100 note left in the pocket?

If these notes are not acceptable, then why bother to print them, they're not monopoly money, they do have a value.

hollydays

"If these notes are not acceptable, then why bother to print them, they're not monopoly money, they do have a value."

Fake notes are Monopoly money actually.

balletshoes

I still don't understand the "scam" - the OP doesn't say, so presumably doesn't know, that the £50 note was a forgery?

I've broken a £50 note on an item lower than £5 in a supermarket before, whats the big deal?

Cheltenham_bloke

balletshoes wrote: »

I've broken a £50 note on an item lower than £5 in a supermarket before, whats the big deal?

Its a pita for staff who can suddenly end up without smaller notes to dole out as change, and for other customers who may find themselves being given a load of coins or having to wait for a supervisor to bring more notes for the till.

Plus (in England at least, I can't speak for Northern Ireland, Wales or Scotland) you don't generally get £50 notes from a bank machine - with most banks I've visited in the past, you have to go into the branch and ask for them. Now admittedly, the person with the £50 note may have just been paid their wages cash-in-hand in £50 notes, but I don't know if being paid cash-in-hand is that commen any more.

When I worked at supermarkets (Kwik Save, Safeways and Morrisons while I was at College & university), we always had to get £50 notes and Scotish / Northern Ireland notes checked by a supervisor - not because they were any more prone to forgeries, but because most of the staff were unfamilliar with what they looked like and, in fairness, I didn't even realise that Scotland had their own notes until a Scotish tenner turned up in my paperboy wages one week (at the tender age of 14).

hollydays

Here's an actual scam known as " ringing the changes".
If ever you witness this , someone asking for change from staff then using distraction techniques, causing confusion to staff, to slide off and pocket bank notes, this is a well known deception .It's usually practiced on staff who are on their own more likely when other customers aren't about. eg
http://www.cornishguardian.co.uk/Pair-shops-ringing-changes-scam/story-20797691-detail/story.html

Another on is enquiring about notes with a particular Letter prefix , again it's a ploy to get hold of notes and well known .

Cheltenham_bloke

hollydays wrote: »

Here's an actual scam known as " ringing the changes".
If ever you witness this , someone asking for change from staff then using distraction techniques, causing confusion to staff, to slide off and pocket bank notes, this is a well known fraud . It's usually practiced on staff who are on their own more likely when other customers aren't about. eg


Another on is enquiring about notes with a particular Letter prefix , again it's a ploy to get hold of notes and well known .

I have seen this one before and the blighter attempting it wasn't very happy when rather than giving them the notes - I followed company procedure and got the cash office staff to count the till drawer. The scammer beat a very hasty retreat when it became apparant that he wasn't getting free money that day.

bluenoseam

Cheltenham_bloke wrote: »

Its a pita for staff who can suddenly end up without smaller notes to dole out as change, and for other customers who may find themselves being given a load of coins or having to wait for a supervisor to bring more notes for the till.

Plus (in England at least, I can't speak for Northern Ireland, Wales or Scotland) you don't generally get £50 notes from a bank machine - with most banks I've visited in the past, you have to go into the branch and ask for them. Now admittedly, the person with the £50 note may have just been paid their wages cash-in-hand in £50 notes, but I don't know if being paid cash-in-hand is that commen any more.

When I worked at supermarkets (Kwik Save, Safeways and Morrisons while I was at College & university), we always had to get £50 notes and Scotish / Northern Ireland notes checked by a supervisor - not because they were any more prone to forgeries, but because most of the staff were unfamilliar with what they looked like and, in fairness, I didn't even realise that Scotland had their own notes until a Scotish tenner turned up in my paperboy wages one week (at the tender age of 14).

In that situation as described above one of two situations comes into play. If it's a large retailer (i.e. supermarket) they'll likely get in touch with the cash office & have them send over smaller notes to change it. If it's a smaller/independent establishment they'll often refuse the note in order to save this situation - most of the time it'd be wise to send them to the bank who'll change it for them. I dealt with a customer years ago who'd just been paid prior to Christmas in cash in crisp £100 notes, only problem being he couldn't get his breakfast as the food outlet didn't take £50s let alone £100s! The closest bank was opening at 10 for a training day and at 9am his best guess was to come in and buy a 99p CD single. Obviously at 9 I didn't have the change but phoned my cashier who changed the £100 into smaller notes for him, out of courtesy he bought the single regardless!

I think because of the products I'm used to selling I've become "used" to these things, after all I was for a good while selling £300+ console bundles so you expect large notes.

20aday

hollydays wrote: »

Which is tricky because " it's been through the washing machine " is one of the excuses people passing forged notes use to,explain away the poor quality of the paper!

When people present said "notes" they don't tell me they've been through a washing machine but it's obvious from the quality it's been laundered.

Anyway raising the note into the air and verifying the watermark and silver line proves it's a legitimate bank note.

But I can see where you are coming from.