Inside ISIS Inc

Generali

haha viva. I think we cross posted!

vivatifosi

I thought this was one of the best and most interesting articles I've read in ages. Seems you thought the same!

vivatifosi

I'm reading another book on ISIS, this time it has more detail on their digital operations.

They describe the process by which people are able to transfer money anonymously to ISIS. It goes something like this... you buy an anonymous preloaded cash card. You use that cash card to buy an anonymous burner phone. You then make contact with another burner phone. You top up your card and then transfer money to the account of the other burner phone, who can then withdraw as cash, anonymously.

The book explains it better than me, it is this one:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Islamic-State-Caliphate-Abdel-Bari-Atwan/dp/0863561349/

MFW_ASAP

purch wrote: »

If we want to defeat them we need to understand them.

Are you and generali going to defeat ISIS, purch?

Jonbvn

purch wrote: »

If we want to defeat them we need to understand them.

Very "Sun Tzu":
"...understanding the economy of warfare and how success requires winning decisive engagements quickly. Successful military campaigns should limit the cost of competition and conflict."

vivatifosi

Jonbvn wrote: »

Very "Sun Tzu":
"...understanding the economy of warfare and how success requires winning decisive engagements quickly. Successful military campaigns should limit the cost of competition and conflict."

I think Sun Tzu was very forward thinking. I enjoyed reading the Art of War (as well as Machiavelli for that matter:o).

(This bit's not aimed at you Jon)...The issue with ISIS is that they have declared war on infidels and stated that they want to spread the caliphate. We may never be able to defeat them as individuals, but it does help to understand them. And the more people understand how they operate, the more they will be able to report things if they detect anything out of the usual.

Not suggesting we all go Stasi here and spy on our neighbours, but at least knowing what you are dealing with and most importantly *it isn't all, or even a majority of muslims* is a good start.

I'm sure if I was around at the time of the rise of Nazism I would have wanted to know more about that too.

kabayiri

When you tax citizens of your made up state; regardless of how much/what means; then after a while those citizens are going to have expectations.

I think the "solution" to the whole problem involves the supporters of ISIS to see what it really means to be a citizen of their state.

I doubt it will be any promised land. Disenchantment will set in.

kabayiri

vivatifosi wrote: »

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Not suggesting we all go Stasi here and spy on our neighbours, but at least knowing what you are dealing with and most importantly *it isn't all, or even a majority of muslims* is a good start.
...

Something like this is exactly what has happened/is happening.

State spend (particularly in the US) on surveillance and monitoring technology has grown markedly since 9/11.

I can see no reason why this won't continue.

Practically every mobile phone has some element of American technology in it. These are the very same phones that IS proponents rely on.

Why wouldn't a future US government use their position in the comms world?

System

Why don't we shoot down the Isis space station?:p

CLAPTON

kabayiri wrote: »

When you tax citizens of your made up state; regardless of how much/what means; then after a while those citizens are going to have expectations.

I think the "solution" to the whole problem involves the supporters of ISIS to see what it really means to be a citizen of their state.

I doubt it will be any promised land. Disenchantment will set in.

it took the soviet empire about 70 years for disenchantment :