Slow Internet? Traffic Sense "Network Provider Throttling" Must Read

the_commuter

Hello i was thinking of joining a new Network on PAYG Monthly (currently with 3) but wanted to know if there's any networks that don't have in place an internet traffic procedure during peek times or a network who dose that don't cripple their connection during peek times to an almost totally unusable speed

Many networks have this in place but a lot of mobile/internet customers don't know about it and its not explained very well in the terms and conditions (if and when it is).

Internet Traffic management IE Trafficsense, trafficwise etc just two of the names it goes by means that during peek hours say from 3pm to 12 midnight or 7pm to 9am (peek times vary by network) a user internet connection will slow down to a near unusable speed, the logic behind this is to Limit P2P File sharing during peek times so that all internet users have a fair share/equal internet service and means no one can heavily use during these times, even though this dose in fact effect the normal people who don't P2P File share and cripples all users connections, which is also called "throttling" when they strangle the connection basically to slow it down

for example for folk who don't understand internet jargon its like this imagine your car can go at 100 miles per hour normally but during peek times it could only go 10 miles per hour, this is the same kind of difference in internet speeds outside the peek times. you may experience anything up to 1mb Per second (There's 1000 Kilobytes in 1 Mb) download speeds which is more than reasonable speed to stream videos (without buffering IE the video stopping and starting) and check email sites etc but your internet connection might be as slow as 8kbps, or 20 kbps or 30 kbps 1mb - 970kbps etc difference and you can see how massively affected your connection is and why your connection is so slow, yet network providers deem this acceptable considering it's a multi billion pound a year money maker for big company's i think its fair to expect reasonable internet speeds

If there's a internet traffic procedure in place you can expect internet speeds as low as 8Kbps (8 Kilobytes Per Second) (which is barely enough to load a web page consider a pages advertisements, pics, and flash content IE a video advert which a person has no control over) and can take a few or more mins to load a page that would normally load in a few secs and is worse than a 56k dial-up connection!

at the very lest people should have about 100kbps this is still slow considering achievable speeds of Mb Per Sec, but fast enough to video call your loved ones, check email (without waiting 5 mins and constant refreshing of a page) there's nothing worse if you have family abroad and cant keep in touch cos you have to make a call during peek times due to time differences and with Christmas season upon us etc coming yeah its very sad you cant chat when you like and considering a lot of folk depend on the net to keep in touch with family, its awful this happens

I understand the logic of such procedures but as a user they don't work and cripple everyone's internet and frankly, its a blatant rip off. so even though you may have "100% Unlimited Internet" (Which is True you are unlimited) the traffic control procedure will slow your net to an unusable speed during peek times. you may led astray with blatant lies by some network providers (like i have, Ive spoke to managers, and tech help etc) that it's your hand set, or the coverage in your area, mast need upgraded, and all sorts other time consuming/wasting excuses as to why your net is so slow

so before you get led a merry dance for weeks or months and go upgrading your handset for a more expensive one, the chances are its a traffic control that's response able for your slow speeds. for any mobile customer you might be better off checking for home broadband and if that includes unlimited internet with no traffic control during peek hours

So the question is whats best network that don't use a traffic control peek hours? and if so, how slow can you expect speeds to go during peek hours?

This has to stop, can Martin do something about this?

Thanks

WellKnownSid

Part of the problem here is that you don't have a solid understanding of how Internet traffic works - especially when it comes to mobile devices.

A smartphone doesn't work like your telephone at home - there isn't a long piece of invisible wire running from it all the way to your home telephone exchange. Normal rules regarding backhaul and contention therefore do not apply.

And before you say that contention shouldn't exist - you need to understand that there fundamentally isn't enough to energy in the universe to make everything limitless. Otherwise you'd have 50 electrical sockets on every wall on your house 'just in case' you wanted to plug everything you owned in at exactly the same time in exactly the same place.

JJ_Egan

Must read what ??

SnowTiger

the_commuter wrote: »

This has to stop, can Martin do something about this?

I agree. Perhaps limiting rambling posts to, say, ten lines would be a good solution?

d123

the_commuter wrote: »

This has to stop, can Martin do something about this?

Thanks

You do realise Martin sold this site to MoneySupermarket.com years ago?

You might want to try and catch him on Twitter...

Frozen_up_north

the_commuter wrote: »

So the question is whats best network that don't use a traffic control peek hours? and if so, how slow can you expect speeds to go during peek hours?

This has to stop, can Martin do something about this?

Thanks

All networks have to limit traffic in some way or another, it's not a resourse without bandwidth limits. If you stop to think for a moment, it should be obvious...

Take a small seaside town with a large caravan park as an example, in winter months there will be little traffic, on a wet weekend in summer there could be hundreds sitting in those caravans trying to browse the web or watch videos. Do the networks build a network to cope with a couple of huge peak events a year in a location that has little traffic for most of the time? Of course they don't.

Some, such as BT Mobile, are offering their customers use of local WiFi as a means of spreading the load. This could help in locations such as city centres and shopping centres.

WellKnownSid

Or to use the OP's analogy - if your car does 100 mph you'd be stupid if it only did 10 mph at "peek" (sic) times.

But... That's exactly right. In the absence of 25 lane motorways, if you all want to travel the same road at the same time, that's what happens in rush hour.

forgotmyname

the_commuter wrote: »

for example for folk who don't understand internet jargon its like this imagine your car can go at 100 miles per hour normally but during peek times it could only go 10 miles per hour, this is the same kind of difference in internet speeds outside the peek times. you may experience anything up to 1mb Per second (There's 1000 Kilobytes in 1 Mb)
Thanks

Are you in the UK? My car can do 140mph+ yet only allowed to do 70mph. In Rush hour im lucky to exceed 40mph. Where is the difference? When somethings busy it goes slower.

And there is 1024Kb in a Mb unless your a lying HD manufacturer, who steal the 24Kb. I do wonder if there is a black market in leftover 24Kb's?

A big warehouse full of 24Kb's?

WellKnownSid

Actually, sorry to be pedantic but there are approximately 122 Kilobytes in 1Mb...

the_commuter

WellKnownSid wrote: »

Part of the problem here is that you don't have a solid understanding of how Internet traffic works - especially when it comes to mobile devices.

A smartphone doesn't work like your telephone at home - there isn't a long piece of invisible wire running from it all the way to your home telephone exchange. Normal rules regarding backhaul and contention therefore do not apply.

And before you say that contention shouldn't exist - you need to understand that there fundamentally isn't enough to energy in the universe to make everything limitless. Otherwise you'd have 50 electrical sockets on every wall on your house 'just in case' you wanted to plug everything you owned in at exactly the same time in exactly the same place.

hi WellKnownSid

i do understand how it works well enough to know at 3pm my internet speeds drop from 700+Kbps to as little as 8Kbps and at 00:00 they go back up to 700+Kbps every day and night bang on the hour so they could stop throttling If they wanted to. they knew this was the issue and i was told lies like its a mast problem were going to upgrade it will improve in 3 months it didn't called again got told similar thing's etc and up grade your phone to the latest model which we can get you right now if you want to speak to our sales team. its a money saver site so had i went and bought a 200, 300, 400 pound phone and got tied in to a contract only to find the issue still remains, then i would have been ripped off. folk are always getting ripped off in to buying upgrades etc which they don't need. if you wanna run 50 plugs then as long as you pay for it they don't care, well as long as your on the most expensive tariff

the_commuter

SnowTiger wrote: »

I agree. Perhaps limiting rambling posts to, say, ten lines would be a good solution?

hi Snowtiger that's 1,492 Thanks now :T