We’d like to remind Forumites to please avoid political debate on the Forum.

This is to keep it a safe and useful space for MoneySaving discussions. Threads that are – or become – political in nature may be removed in line with the Forum’s rules. Thank you for your understanding.

PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING: Hello Forumites! In order to help keep the Forum a useful, safe and friendly place for our users, discussions around non-MoneySaving matters are not permitted per the Forum rules. While we understand that mentioning house prices may sometimes be relevant to a user's specific MoneySaving situation, we ask that you please avoid veering into broad, general debates about the market, the economy and politics, as these can unfortunately lead to abusive or hateful behaviour. Threads that are found to have derailed into wider discussions may be removed. Users who repeatedly disregard this may have their Forum account banned. Please also avoid posting personally identifiable information, including links to your own online property listing which may reveal your address. Thank you for your understanding.
The MSE Forum Team would like to wish you all a very Happy New Year. However, we know this time of year can be difficult for some. If you're struggling during the festive period, here's a list of organisations that might be able to help
📨 Have you signed up to the Forum's new Email Digest yet? Get a selection of trending threads sent straight to your inbox daily, weekly or monthly!
Has MSE helped you to save or reclaim money this year? Share your 2025 MoneySaving success stories!

Use of CCTV in Rented Accommodation to Evict Tenants over Non-Contractual Rules

Hi, I rent a room in a shared house, which has CCTV installed in all communal areas. The CCTV has been present ever since I moved into the property over one year ago, however, nothing has ever been mentioned about it by either the landlord or the letting agent. There are no signs present to inform the tenants that we are being watched/recorded, nor is there any mention of it in my tenancy agreement.

This morning, all the tenants were delivered letters from the landlord's agent (his son), informing us - among other things - that there is no provision within our tenancy agreements to allow guests to stay over night at the property; that they have CCTV evidence to prove this has been taking place, and that they will evict the offenders if it continues. It's important to mention that nowhere in the tenancy agreement does it state that tenants are not permitted to have guests stay over night, but just has the standard information regarding prohibition of subletting etc.

Surely this is a breach of the covenant of quiet enjoyment on the landlord's behalf on two separate accounts: breach of privacy with the absence of communication regarding the use of CCTV, and the non-contractual prohibition of tenants to have guests stay the night.

There are numerous cameras throughout the house. They are the upturned-dome shaped ones that are placed in the ceiling. There's no way of hanging anything over them. The only way I'd be able to obscure their view would be to commit criminal damage to them. The camera that I'm most concerned about is placed above the bathroom door looking directly at my bedroom door. It tracks my journey between my bedroom and the bathroom. It's outrageous!

I have the best part of one year left on my lease, so any eviction would have to be conducted through the courts. However, this is my second one year lease at the property, and the landlord previously attempted to evict me via the six-month get-out clause in my tenancy agreement over an issue with rent payment - an issue that turned out to be a fault of their own, not mine. The landlord - who lives abroad - and his son - who acts as his agent - run the house like a student dormitory. I'm 28 years old, and the rest of the eleven people in the house are between the ages of 25-60; not children by any account.

All of the bedrooms come off communal areas that are all monitored by CCTV.

The letter in question also threatened to remove the Wi-Fi as what can only be described as a 'punishment' for tenants coming home in the early hours and disturbing other tenants. I'd laugh at the situation if it wasn't such a threat to my civil liberty.

The laws on this subject seem deliberately vague and open to interpretation. Can anyone advise me on this situation please?
«13456

Comments

  • RAS
    RAS Posts: 36,288 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Name Dropper
    England, Wales Scotland? The law is different.

    Tenancy - joint (probably not but need clarifying) or by the room?

    If an HMO, is it properly registered?
    If you've have not made a mistake, you've made nothing
  • This is kind of weird... I'm surprised you renewed.


    Any clause about visitors is basically unenforceable (assuming the landlord does not live in the property) even if it is in the contract.


    As for the CCTV itself, I'm sure it breaks some data protection rules and depending on the use could be harassment too (I don't think we are there yet, but I could imagine it could get there).


    What do you actually want out of the situation though? You haven't actually said.
  • Crashy_Time
    Crashy_Time Posts: 13,386 Forumite
    10,000 Posts Seventh Anniversary Name Dropper
    Just get a McDonalds style paper tea cup ( or anything similar that obscures the view) and glue it over the cameras at night, glue the edges of the cup so it doesn`t touch the camera then no one say anything, better still use blu tack or something so you can remove it before he comes, see if the landlord has got the stomach (and money) to evict everyone. Of course everyone has to be in on it, or he will throw you out, so if there are people there who like living like they are in jail just get another place to live IMO. Alternatively go down to Citizens advice and look into the legality of cameras in a place you pay to live in.
  • macman
    macman Posts: 53,129 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Name Dropper
    'shared house': is this an HMO, or do you all have a common tenancy contract? I'm assuming the former.
    No free lunch, and no free laptop ;)
  • Breaching the Human Rights Act - right to privacy and family life? both the CCTV and the no visitors? Is there a local citizens advice that might have a free law clinic willing to advise?
  • I'd be out of there in a second, regardless of the length of the lease I'd signed. I would recommend you do the same!

    If you're particularly paranoid, you might wonder what else the landlord could be monitoring. Microphones in the communal areas? Tracking the websites you visit? GPS locators on your car?
  • Come on guys, take this to court!!! If nothing else you can sell the story to various of the red-top rags....
  • Pixie5740
    Pixie5740 Posts: 14,515 Forumite
    10,000 Posts Eighth Anniversary Name Dropper Photogenic
    God alone knows why you signed another 12 month fixed term in this 1984 property. Big Brother is watching.

    You can have visitors stay if you want. It doesn't matter what it may or may not say in the tenancy agreement as anything about not having visitors would be an unfair clause.

    Which council is this HMO in? Does it require a licence? I'd be straight on to the council about this invasion of privacy. Do you know if he owns any other HMO?
  • davidmcn
    davidmcn Posts: 23,596 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts Name Dropper
    Come on guys, take this to court!!! If nothing else you can sell the story to various of the red-top rags....

    Indeed, I'd like to see what a court would make of a landlord who meticulously monitors every movement of their tenants through the hall.
  • marksoton
    marksoton Posts: 17,516 Forumite
    Oh behave....
This discussion has been closed.
Meet your Ambassadors

🚀 Getting Started

Hi new member!

Our Getting Started Guide will help you get the most out of the Forum

Categories

  • All Categories
  • 352.9K Banking & Borrowing
  • 253.9K Reduce Debt & Boost Income
  • 454.7K Spending & Discounts
  • 246K Work, Benefits & Business
  • 602.1K Mortgages, Homes & Bills
  • 177.8K Life & Family
  • 260K Travel & Transport
  • 1.5M Hobbies & Leisure
  • 16K Discuss & Feedback
  • 37.7K Read-Only Boards

Is this how you want to be seen?

We see you are using a default avatar. It takes only a few seconds to pick a picture.