walked out of jobcentre work experience

missbiggles1

red_devil wrote: »

it wont work because there wont be enough jobs for all anyway. Its about time the government actually did something to champion Britain and find some work. They do nothing to create jobs, they even cut jobs now. They love bullying and harassing people through their providers. If they can send money abroad they can help the people in this country out of work.

They waste loads of money paying providers, keeping jobcentres open up and down the country which do nothing, paying about three Security Guards to stand in each one doing nothing. They have it all wrong. Camerons has just got a private plane even the queen dosent have that. Scummy government even started on the Tax credits now.

But if they made more jobs (as I agree they should do) you might have to actually take one of them.;)

topaztiger1983

red_devil wrote: »

shows what you don't know. Long term unemployed are treated differently to people short term unemployed?

I have been long term unemployed before, so don't preach to the converted, pal

dktreesea

andygb wrote: »

How about the fact that I paid in 35 years of taxes etc - does that not count for anything?:mad:
Seriously looking for work takes time, as does going for interviews, attending useless jobfairs.

It means you should be able to get contributions based JSA in the first instance rather than income based JSA. Presumably then, for however long that applies these4 days all you need to do is job search and no more?


What I see though us a huge sea change towards benefits. So what was "Job Seekers Allowance" (what you live on while looking for a job, with no other strings attached) is morphing into Universal Credit.


I think this will end up being that to get UC you have to be available to work at least 30 hours a week, maybe even 35 hours a week, in whatever placement (hopefully only community, without for-profit enterprises being able to cash in on the free labour) the Job Centre wants you to place you in.


In 2011, the Telegraph was reporting that 4 out of 5 voters think people out of work for 12 months or longer should have to work for their benefits.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8469819/Jobless-should-work-for-their-benefits-say-four-in-five-voters.html


Now, in 2015, you have Cameron saying young people out of work for six months should have to work for their benefits.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-31500763


We've even got one Tory MP suggesting JSA should be paid as a loan to people who haven't paid into national insurance, to be paid back when they get a job!
http://metro.co.uk/2015/06/12/young-people-should-pay-back-benefits-when-they-find-a-job-says-tory-group-5243079/

andygb

dktreesea wrote: »

I think this will end up being that to get UC you have to be available to work at least 30 hours a week, maybe even 35 hours a week, in whatever placement (hopefully only community, without for-profit enterprises being able to cash in on the free labour) the Job Centre wants you to place you in.

If they MAKE people work 30 - 35 hours a week then they sgould be prepared to pay NMW for it, irrespective of whether it is for a non profit or commercial enterprise.
As I have said before, jobseekers are not criminals so they should not be forced to do community service.;)

missbiggles1

andygb wrote: »

If they MAKE people work 30 - 35 hours a week then they sgould be prepared to pay NMW for it, irrespective of whether it is for a non profit or commercial enterprise.
As I have said before, jobseekers are not criminals so they should not be forced to do community service.;)

However, you need to take into account (which may not be the case for you) the whole package of benefits that some unemployed people might be getting. If you add on all that, in many cases it can be more than someone earning NMW receives, even when working ft.

topaztiger1983

missbiggles1 wrote: »

However, you need to take into account (which may not be the case for you) the whole package of benefits that some unemployed people might be getting. If you add on all that, in many cases it can be more than someone earning NMW receives, even when working ft.

That is very true, i was better off financially when I was unemployed, but mentally I feel better working

theoretica

I wonder about the practicality of emergency jobs - people who needed them would need to demonstrate job seeking to be eligible, would be paid NMW and could be dismissed for misconduct, but would of course be able to attend interviews and make the time up. The standard emergency job would be 1 1/2 or so days a week to equal current JSA at NMW. However, alternative jobs which offered genuine training (or popular roles with charities or of society benefit) could require more hours for the money, equivalent of apprenticeships. It would be the job seeker's own decision if they wanted the basic NMW role or to apply for one of the others.

dktreesea

andygb wrote: »

If they MAKE people work 30 - 35 hours a week then they sgould be prepared to pay NMW for it, irrespective of whether it is for a non profit or commercial enterprise.
As I have said before, jobseekers are not criminals so they should not be forced to do community service.;)

But it's possible, especially if there are children and/or housing benefit is being paid, that the value of the benefits being paid far exceeds the full time NMW.



Previously, this would have been irrelevant. Job seekers allowance and all the additional benefits were provided just in exchange for looking for a job. But I guess too many people were taking the p1sh, enough for the general public to notice and want a different welfare model.


The way the Tories are going, that looks likely to be "work for welfare" American style. I don't think the taxpaying public are willing for private enterprise to benefit from that via free labour. Well, obviously they aren't. Look how they punished Tesco and are now punishing Poundland. But working for the community? That would probably get a "yes" from the taxpayer.


Having said that, can our government pull it off? This I would have to see to believe. If their incompetent implementation of Universal Credit is anything to go by, including unfair sanctions being imposed by power tripping DWP jobsworths, I would think not a chance. However did we get to the stage where these dreadful people who work at the Job Centres can drive people to destitution, let alone suicide?


Our job centre is terrible. There are two people in particular (I've been with people to chum them and seen them in action) who are so cruel they should be sacked. And no, before people start saying they're white and therefore racist, neither of them are white.


No wonder so many people become self employed even if they are not well suited to it. Better HMRC (whom I have also encountered in the flesh on more than one occasion - they're polite, have prepared well for the meeting and are competent) than the DWP any day of the week.

mattcanary

missbiggles1 wrote: »

I agree.

Workfare should be for charities or in the community, not to provide free labour for profit making businesses.

However, as I'm not in charge, claimants will have to do the best they can within the existing situation if they want to continue to claim.

So why do you not campaign against companies taking part in Workfare then?
Instead of heckling jobseekers all the time?

System

To me work experience means you get the experience of working, if they're not letting you do all the duties, then you're going to be lacking those experiences (and being on a till is often a large part of retail), that said back when i did 2 weeks work experience for woolworths, they didn;t let the other 2 people on the tills, but that was as they told me because they didn't seem bothered where as iwas keen to learn all i could (and did get offered a job once i turned 16). That said I'm not sure how i'd feel about doing it for 8 weeks with no chance of a job at the end of it (if there are no jobs going i don't think its fair to take people on for "free labour").

Also i have a locker (we don;t have keys so can't lock them) and i've still had several items of uniform stolen :mad: