New VED from April 2017

martinsurrey

derrick wrote: »

So again, until the authorities stop calling it "Road Tax/Vehicle Tax" it will still be seen,(quite rightly in my opinion), as TAX by Joe Public, after all it IS a TAX!

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its called a tax because it is a tax and always will be called a tax

"tax - a compulsory contribution to state revenue, levied by the government on workers' income and business profits, or added to the cost of some goods, services, and transactions."

no one is arguing that it shouldn't be called "XXXX tax", you are the one that brought up the tax part, so you are arguing with yourself...

Joe_Horner

The amusing part is that the pedants, when they insist there's no such thing as "road tax" are, simply, wrong.

An excise duty (as in vehicle excise duty) is simply a special case of the more general term "tax" - all excise duties are taxes, but not all taxes are excise duties. So, it's pefectly legitimate to call it "vehicle tax".

But it's not actually levied on owning a vehicle - you can own as many cars as you like without having to pay it. It only becomes due when you put those vehicles on the road. So, it's a tax which is only levied if you use a road.

It's a tax that is levied against (some) users of roads but not against anyone who doesn't use roads.

Regardless of what the funds are spent on, logically and linguistically "road tax" is a perfectly accurate and acceptable description of that.

derrick

martinsurrey wrote: »

its called a tax because it is a tax and always will be called a tax

"tax - a compulsory contribution to state revenue, levied by the government on workers' income and business profits, or added to the cost of some goods, services, and transactions."

no one is arguing that it shouldn't be called "XXXX tax", you are the one that brought up the tax part, so you are arguing with yourself...

I know what a tax is, it is actually theft.

I did not bring it up, I replied to the first line of post 6, read it again.


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150940

derrick wrote: »

I know what a tax is, it is actually theft.

I did not bring it up, I replied to the first line of post 6, read it again.


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How's that then?

reddwarf2002

Road tax as opposed to vehicle tax is probably the more suitable term. If you think about it, the tax only comes into force if the vehicle is kept on the public road. You can own a vehicle and not pay tax if it is kept off the public road.

BeenThroughItAll

derrick wrote: »

I know what a tax is, it is actually theft.

Oh dear. Credibility lost.

martinsurrey

derrick wrote: »

I know what a tax is, it is actually theft.
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Ahhh I understand now, it all makes sense, I wont bother you again...

Norman_Castle

reddwarf2002 wrote: »

Road tax as opposed to vehicle tax is probably the more suitable term. If you think about it, the tax only comes into force if the vehicle is kept on the public road. You can own a vehicle and not pay tax if it is kept off the public road.

You can also use a vehicle on the road without paying tax. VED is a revenue raising tax set at variable levels to encourage the purchase of (supposedly!) less polluting vehicles. The term "road tax" implies the tax is gathered to fund and maintain the highways which it is not. VED is not road tax by another name.

www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/SN01482.pdf

"Motoring taxation is made up of two elements: vehicle excise duty (VED) – a tax on ownership; and fuel duty – a tax on use. Although historically the road fund tax was considered a hypothecated tax to pay for the building and maintenance of the road network, this has not been so since 1937 and it is now a general revenue raising tax"

Joe_Horner

Norman_Castle wrote: »

The term "road tax" implies the tax is gathered to fund and maintain the highways which it is not.

Really? So "alcohol tax" implies the tax is gathered to provide beer? Income tax is used to create income?

It's a tax which is only applied to people who use vehicles on the road. Not for owning vehicles - as you would expect from something describe as "vehicle tax" - but for using them on the road.

So road tax is a clear and acceptable description regardless of what its official name is.

Nasqueron

Johno100 wrote: »

You are missing all those major A roads that are the responsibility of the Highways Agency.



And cyclists are slowly been banned from a number of these roads.

http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/cyclists-banned-stretch-a19-after-9719544

No I wasn't.

I didn't refer to A roads that cyclists can't use which I am aware of, I have driven up the A19 and seen the signs banning cycling. I can cycle on the A38 but I wouldn't!

I was just curious to see if the new tax goes on motorways only so the argument that the 2017 tax change would mean drivers were paying for the roads we cyclists use was wrong, or if it was going on all roads including ones we can in theory use (subject to local bylaws) which means falling back to the "I also have a car" defence