volunteering at poundland ?

DCFC79

Why have you not applied for one of the many Xmas temp jobs ?

Might not be perfect but it could lead to a job after Xmas or you find out about an internal vacancy.

Takeaway_Addict

There is a surprise...Mark and Andy both going offline when their rhetoric is proven wrong.

andygb

Takeaway_Addict wrote: »

We've gone through this before Andy, I did notice you did not reply when I told you examples when working for free for a company is beneficial.

However, for poundland I do think its disgraceful how much they are abusing the system.

Because I do not agree with you, and nothing I say will change your mind.
You are obviously an employer who doesn't turn down the chance to have workers who you don't need to pay.
I suppose that you believe zero hours contracts are OK as well - because they give employees (as well as employers of course) "flexibility"?;)

jjjjj_ttt

I did have a interview at poundland for a Christmas job but they said they did have a job for me, but they told the jobcentre i could to volunteer work with them.

Takeaway_Addict

andygb wrote: »

Because I do not agree with you, and nothing I say will change your mind.
You are obviously an employer who doesn't turn down the chance to have workers who you don't need to pay.
I suppose that you believe zero hours contracts are OK as well - because they give employees (as well as employers of course) "flexibility"?;)

Well at least you replied this time.

Is my example above wrong. I didn't need the person so could have just said no but that person good attitude got them into the industry they wanted to be in and got them a paid job.

Explain what was wrong when I don't tout for it, I don't let them replace another member of staff, I don't need them and I let them choose what hours and days they wish to work?

If I had said no there is a strong chance that person would still be looking to get into the industry.

And on Zero hours, I do think there is a place for them but abuse of them need to be prevented.

andygb

Takeaway_Addict wrote: »

Explain what was wrong when I don't tout for it, I don't let them replace another member of staff, I don't need them and I let them choose what hours and days they wish to work?

Well that is certainly very different to what the Jobcentre are making people do, so fair play to you.

bluenoseam

Takeaway_Addict wrote: »

ok Mark. Tell me that this piece of work experience is exploitative and unfair.

I have allowed someone wanting to get into my industry to do work experience for me. They came to me and were on top of my normal paid staff so not replacing anyone, they chose the hours and the days of the week, and because they showed willing and the ability to cope in the industry when someone left 3 months into the work experience they got the job.

If they had not shown the proactive attitude and willingness to get work experience for a reference then they would not have got the job and would most likley still be waiting to get into the industry.

Wrong? I don't think so.

And just to be clear, I do think Poundland are wrong in their use of these work programmes and I have refused multiple times to take apprentices on because in my industry they simply are not required and I would feel it is an abuse of their purpose.

That's the major difference though, with all due respects (and well, I include myself as it's technically my industry) the retail industry doesn't exactly need much in the way of introduction. Perhaps for a high end store or a specialist role within a store, but for Poundland not so much.

Takeaway_Addict

bluenoseam wrote: »

That's the major difference though, with all due respects (and well, I include myself as it's technically my industry) the retail industry doesn't exactly need much in the way of introduction. Perhaps for a high end store or a specialist role within a store, but for Poundland not so much.

And I am in absolute agreement with you.

Marktheshark

I do not engage in discussions with people that exploit other people and "lord it about" .
I give them the amount of time they deserve from me.
None.

andygb

Marktheshark wrote: »

I do not engage in discussions with people that exploit other people and "lord it about" .
I give them the amount of time they deserve from me.
None.

When I received a few suggested applications for volunteer work from the Jobcentre, two of them involved giving my skills for free to "charities" which are in fact semi commercial. They involved me doing twenty hours a week editing and designing using Photoshop, and not getting paid for it - nice work if you can get it;)