Can a tenant sub-let an entire property?

JencParker

SanguineSteve wrote: »

I can see from the replies that everyone here has an outlook on it different to my own. So, i guess that's my problem.

I'm soon to be a landlord (perhaps this is a massive mistake), i'd want to know if my tenant was doing this, or breaching the agreement in any other way. Otherwise, what's the point in the process of vetting tenants if they are able to sub-let to anyone with relative impunity?

If the place get's trashed/turned over by a rogue airbnb'er, the named tenant can seemingly just walk away.

Ignoring this exact case, It just seems unfair/unjust to me that a tenant can take risks with property, that is not their own, with very little actual risk to themselves. That this has concerned me and has been met with a general shrug of the shoulders from the respondents in here saddens me and just makes me think i'm not cut out to be a landlord.

I think for the sake of my mother's sanity (and mine, i'm the one that has listen to her....) i need to convince her that it's actually none of our business and that she should do her best to ignore it and get on with her life.

If your mother knows the landlord/lady, then perhaps she could inform her friend/acquaintance of her concerns about the number of people living in the property, the absence of her tenant etc. and then the landlord can make the decision if they want to act on it. Although I would never be a landlord, I am a homeowner and if someone was abusing my property I would want to know so, unlike the comments saying it is none of her business, I don't think there is anything wrong with your mother informing the landlord.

Guest101

SuzieSue wrote: »

When did I say I did? Hopefully the LL knows what is going on but if not, then as a friend, the OP's mother should tell her.

I just mean you suggested the posters on here might be doing the same.


In fact there's been responses from both LLs and tenants, many of whom are just knowledgeable rather than sub letting for profit.

Guest101

What I don't get in principle (lets put aside the insurance stuff for a second)


LL wants £x per month, and gets it.


Tenant can now get £x + Y amount and make some profit.


Where's the problem, everyone egts what they want

G_M

Good grief! What a thread!

* the tenant may or may not be permitted to sublet. Neither the OP nor we know.

* if the mother is a friend of the LL, she could have a friendly chat over cake and bring up the subject. LL might say "Oh yes, I know. It's no problem." Or might say "What?! I had no idea! Thanks for letting me know."

* If mother is unwilling to do this, then yes, I agree, the whole thread is a waste of time.

SuzieSue

Guest101 wrote: »

What I don't get in principle (lets put aside the insurance stuff for a second)


LL wants £x per month, and gets it.


Tenant can now get £x + Y amount and make some profit.


Where's the problem, everyone egts what they want

But you can't put aside the insurance issue. If it wasn't a problem for insurance then there would not be a problem at all.

agrinnall

SanguineSteve wrote: »

Really? I got an overwhelming vibe of 'none of your business' from the replies. Including your own.

No, my response was that I think it's none of your business, but if you think differently then you should do something about it, and you don't seem willing to, and that's why it's a waste of time.

Mossfarr

If I were in your Mothers position I would definitely contact the landlady and just ask straight out if she is aware of what's going on in her property. If she is aware about the subletting then its not an issue as its not causing your mother any problem. If on the other hand she is not aware then I'm sure she will be absolutely horrified. She can't deal with it if she doesn't know about it.
As friend and neighbour, I assume the Landlord had told your Mother she was planning to rent out her former home before she moved out. If she thought there would be subletting then surely she would have mentioned that also?

chappers

Guest101 wrote: »

What I don't get in principle (lets put aside the insurance stuff for a second)


LL wants £x per month, and gets it.


Tenant can now get £x + Y amount and make some profit.


Where's the problem, everyone egts what they want

There has been a lot of this Air BnB stuff going on with tenants in social housing, particularly in London, do you think that's acceptable.
Either way our opinions are just that, it's the LLs that count. Personally I would want to know then could make up my own decision, whether the LL in this case would object is another matter entirely and whether she is aware of the consequences another matter again. I would be a bit annoyed if a friend of mine knew what was going on and believed I didn't and failed to tell me.
I don't se a dilemma here tell the LL.

teddysmum

Would it be possible to find out the address of the property on Airbnb ,as a positive result would provide facts ?


In this case or otherwise, Mum could chat to the owner friend and ask if she has changed the way she is renting out her property ie choosing to take very short term lets. Then it's up to her to act, as it's her property.

PlymouthMaid

It could also turn out to be the neighbour's problem if the house did burn down and affected her too when the insurance would not pay out. I would mention it to the LL if she is a friend but if not, then I guess you need to keep out of it unless they are actually doing something very annoying to your Mum. If I was a landlord I would be very unhappy to find out that this was happening.