UKPC strike again

enfield_freddy

http://www.canterburytimes.co.uk/Parents-scared-away-Canterbury-car-park/story-28013856-detail/story.html




they must be really struggling to meet their target income without ANPR ability.

bod1467

Does the Council know about UKPC's lack of DVLA access? Does this lack mean UKPC are in breach of contract?

Does planning consent for the parking prevent parkers leaving the site? (Even though from a brief read of the article some didn't actually leave the site).

patman99

As tickets issued by camera cars operated on behalf of Councils by PPCs have been deemed not worth the paper they are written on by a Court, wonder if the same could be said for the tickets issued by PPCs running Council car parks?.

The argument would be that would a private individual gain the same financial payment as the PPC for reporting a vehicle for overstaying in a free car park.

If the Council would reward the private individual for such information with a payment equal to that which the PPC receives, then they may well be enforceable, but as the norm is that the answer is 'No, the Council do not pay the public for such information', then the PPC also has no legal remit to act on behalf of the Council.

The Southend case Judge ruled that images provided by a PPC should be viewed only in the concept of a photograph taken by a passer-by and such a photograph would therefore have no legal purpose in providing evidence of a parking offense.

fil_cad

I hope they are running out of cash now. :rotfl::rotfl:

patman99

The way this sort of arrangent works is that UKPC take a photo of the overstaying vehicle and pass it to the Council. The Council parking team then run the number plates through DVLA and issue a ticket. For this, UKPC will get a fixed fee of normally around £18 per ticket.

Anyway, have emailed the owner of the music school (office@ymscanterbury.co.uk) giving them a bit of info they can pass on to their parents to encourage them to take the PPC & Council to Court.

enfield_freddy

NO THAT IS ILLIGAL.


the newspaper report says the letters are from UKPC NOT the counsil


this has been checked out with both the BPA and DVLA!!


DVLA reply


Dear Mr XXXXX,

Thank you for your email regarding UKPC.

As UKPC are suspended from obtaining vehicle keeper data from the DVLA, we would not authorise any third parties to obtain data on their behalf. If a third party were to request data for a third party, they would have to notify DVLA of this. At this point, the DVLA would reject the request.

I trust this explains the Agency’s position.

Kind regards

David Dunford
Data Sharing Assurance Team
Strategy, Policy & Communications Directorate | D16 | DVLA | Swansea | SA99 1DY
Twitter: @dvlagovuk








BPA reply:


Dear Mr xxxx Thanks for your e-mail. It would be inappropriate for me to answer specific questions about the UKPC case until it is fully concluded. However I will treat your questions as being over a general nature and will answer them accordingly. If the DVLA suspend an organisation's ability to receive vehicle keeper data, it is complete suspension and this would include all links via a third party. An organisation should not seek to avoid a DVLA suspension by applying for details via a third party. It would be wholly inappropriate for one operator to seek details on behalf of another while that other is suspended, and would be seen as a serious Code breach resulting in a compliance investigation. I hope that this is helpful Kind regards Steve Clark Head of Operational Services British Parking Association Tel: 01444 447 307 Email: [EMAIL="steve.c@britishparking.co.uk"]steve.c@britishparking.co.uk[/EMAIL] Web: www.britishparking.co.uk


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enfield_freddy

phone call received from a local resident , some of those tickets are after UKPCs ban by the DVLA , seems this is being run as a joint venture by the PPC and the counsil , UKPC take photo , send to counsil , info is sent back to UKPC

one of the residents involved is now contacting the DVLA to find who got her info ,

will report back later

ampersand

Good work freddy - Council need to be put on notice first thing tomorrow. Will you or your contact do this?

enfield_freddy

NO the DVLA need to be asked WHO got "Mrs ****" info on or after xx/xx/xxxx , if this turns out to be a joint venture then the Sh&t hits the fan ,


pre warned , the counsil can "fudge" things , possably even sending out a fabricated (number misread) on road ticket




I am informed that an email has already been sent to the DVLA , earlier this evening as suggested by me

daveyjp

Every Council has regular full Council meetings where the public can ask questions of their elected members. Most questions are Councillor to Councillor, but public questions are allowed and its far quicker and more intimidating than FOI as the deadline is tighter and all the Councillors will be aware of the question and the answer. Councillors who may be in the dark can shine lights into dark corners, remember they are the ones who need votes.

I would be up there asking the Council probing questions about how the Council ended up employing such a bunch. Legal process, senior officer/ Committee approval process, procurement process etc etc.

There may even be a Scrutiny Committee where the officers who decided this was a good idea can be questioned in public.

enfield_freddy

I'm about 250 miles away (trev hunting) , do you fancy going?