parking permit taken away

rr2

I bought a new house on a new estate in 2013 (private road, 20 townhouses). i live here with my girlfriend. We have two cars. When buying the house i was told i would have the space on my drive (one car) and two permits to park outside my house. There have been no issues with parking at all.

Our estate also has two apartment blocks, maybe 50 apartments in total. we are not on the same road as them, we are around the corner. They have had lots of issues with parking, people parking in the wrong area, people renting permits etc

Last month a vote was put out as a site whether or not to keep the permits Due to being outnumbered we have been out voted and our permits obsolete.

Last week the sign posts were changed from permits only to no parking on the road.

Great, so we have two cars and one space on the drive, so inevitably i got a ticket, like several others on the road. It's extremely poor management from the company who manage the road.

I spoke to them yesterday and for now these are the rules. Hopefully we can go to a vote just for our road. I would never have bought the house with one space on the drive. A visitor, family or plumber etc now risks £100 fine as there is no parking.

The fine is a PCN from Elite parking midlands, they are part of the BPA. Should i pay it? I guess from there point of view they have been told to ticket anyone on the road.

I probably face many more fines from them as there is nowhere to leave our cars!

rr2

Just to add....

The contract for the house doesn't mention permits.

As far as premier estates are concerned, the original company were never obliged to issue permits, they just chose to do so.

Marktheshark

rr2 wrote: »

Just to add....

The contact for the house doesn't mention permits.

As far as premier estates are concerned, the original company were never obliged to issue permits, they just chose to do so.

A classic case of be careful what you wish for.
When you get in to bed with a PPC, you are always going to be the fodder for them to rake in the cash.

Half_way

Don't pay or when think of paying. Just keep on parking and appeal/challenge each ticket to popla. After a while you should be able to just do a copy and paste popla challenge changing nothing more than the dates.

Marktheshark

When does the new POPLA start dishing it out, the advice might need drastically updating if they are as bad as I suspect they will be.

Guys_Dad

rr2 wrote: »

I bought a new house on a new estate in 2013 (private road, 20 townhouses). i live here with my girlfriend. We have two cars. When buying the house i was told i would have the space on my drive (one car) and two permits to park outside my house. There have been no issues with parking at all.

Our estate also has two apartment blocks, maybe 50 apartments in total. we are not on the same road as them, we are around the corner. They have had lots of issues with parking, people parking in the wrong area, people renting permits etc

Anything in writing on this at all - from lease to sales brochures to Estate Agent literature??? Much more value than what may or may not have been said, although the old permits may be persuasive.

Also check the landowner/agent authorities as specified in your lease.

DandelionPatrol

rr2 wrote: »

Just to add....

The contract for the house doesn't mention permits.

As far as premier estates are concerned, the original company were never obliged to issue permits, they just chose to do so.

Do you mean deeds rather than contract? The contract for the purchase of the property is not as relevant as the deeds.

You need to look out the title document and check out your rights there. And you need to tell us how the representation was made that you would have 2 permits.

rr2

I have the permits which expire in November. Would i use this in a case of appeal?

Speaking to a neighbour who has had four tickets, they have said theyre just going to ignore them as theyre not enforceable. i'm not so sure that is the correct way to handle this?

rr2

The document i have found is called Report on contract and mortgage. It is from my solicitor at the time.
it states in searches in points to note

'There is a length of private roadway leading from the public highway to the property. Rights of way are granted by your deeds to use the driveway subject to you paying a fair proportion of the maintenance and repair. You are not entitled to park or obstruct the roadway."

Guys_Dad

rr2 wrote: »

I have the permits which expire in November. Would i use this in a case of appeal?

Speaking to a neighbour who has had four tickets, they have said theyre just going to ignore them as theyre not enforceable. i'm not so sure that is the correct way to handle this?

Definitely not. Whereas a PPC might not take you to court for £85, get 20 tickets @ £85 a go or even more, and it is a different proposition.

Appeal each one separately.

Tell neighbour too!

rr2

When you say appeal, i am not sure i understand this. Elite have just done what they were instructed to do - give anyone on the road a ticket. How do i appeal this? I think my situation goes deeper than that?