Tax Credits

CLAPTON

Graham_Devon wrote: »

The point isn't about discussing the future.

The point is that the chancellor has banked the forecasts and spent every single penny of the estimates.

you can't be serious

what exactly should the spending estimate for next year be based on if not estimates

mforr64

He was humiliated by the House of Lords and "listening to concerns"! Don't make me laugh. Anyway this nasty little thread that I have been following since its inception can be put to bed now.

Moby

mforr64 wrote: »

He was humiliated by the House of Lords and "listening to concerns"! Don't make me laugh. Anyway this nasty little thread that I have been following since its inception can be put to bed now.

A breath of fresh air !
:beer:

Moby

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/nov/25/junior-doctors-strike-jeremy-hunt-agrees-to-acas-talks

Meanwhile in another unsubtle exercise in news management this announcement is made. Hunt does a U turn as well!

mwpt

mforr64 wrote: »

He was humiliated by the House of Lords and "listening to concerns"! Don't make me laugh. Anyway this nasty little thread that I have been following since its inception can be put to bed now.

Do you know there is something called the Consistency Principle?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consistency_(negotiation)

In more detail, the belief is that there is an ingrained preference in us towards actions and deeds that are consistent with that persons prior actions and deeds. To phrase it another way, people prefer to act consistently with what they've publicly said, in order to appeal more. This was used by (I think) the Japanese in POW camps, in that they had prisoners publicly and by force, read out Japanese propaganda, against western nations, and this actually had the affect of gradually swaying the western POWs to their side (EDIT: the POWs doing the reading that is). They would even act against their fellow countrymen in the end.

My point here is you exhibit a strong bias toward consistency. In the first way, it is actually illogical of you to be angry at Osborne for changing his mind, because in the end the result is something you wanted. You should be pleased with him. But the consistency principle is so strong, and your dislike for the man so strong, you can't actually come to say this.

In the second way, you have publicly stated your beliefs. Now your own desire to be consistent means you will never (or very very very reluctantly) change your mind on this issue (tax credits), or your dislike for Osborne.

I'm not having a go at your personally, just making an observation. I find it quite interesting and I actually believe a lot of conflict is caused by this strong desire for consistency over rationality.

Not sure if you care about any of that, I find it interesting.

gadgetmind

mforr64 wrote: »

Anyway this nasty little thread that I have been following since its inception can be put to bed now.

I guess it can, but I'm sure a Universal Credit thread will emerge in its place as the underlying problem, which the tax credit tapering was designed to address, is still present.

Moby

mwpt wrote: »

Do you know there is something called the Consistency Principle?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consistency_(negotiation)

In more detail, the belief is that there is an ingrained preference in us towards actions and deeds that are consistent with that persons prior actions and deeds. To phrase it another way, people prefer to act consistently with what they've publicly said, in order to appeal more. This was used by (I think) the Japanese in POW camps, in that they had prisoners publicly and by force, read out Japanese propaganda, against western nations, and this actually had the affect of gradually swaying the western POWs to their side (EDIT: the POWs doing the reading that is). They would even act against their fellow countrymen in the end.

My point here is you exhibit a strong bias toward consistency. In the first way, it is actually illogical of you to be angry at Osborne for changing his mind, because in the end the result is something you wanted. You should be pleased with him. But the consistency principle is so strong, and your dislike for the man so strong, you can't actually come to say this.

In the second way, you have publicly stated your beliefs. Now your own desire to be consistent means you will never (or very very very reluctantly) change your mind on this issue (tax credits), or your dislike for Osborne.

I'm not having a go at your personally, just making an observation. I find it quite interesting and I actually believe a lot of conflict is caused by this strong desire for consistency over rationality.

Not sure if you care about any of that, I find it interesting.

This commentary explains all:-
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/25/george-osbornes-spending-review-our-writers-verdict

CLAPTON

mforr64 wrote: »

He was humiliated by the House of Lords and "listening to concerns"! Don't make me laugh. Anyway this nasty little thread that I have been following since its inception can be put to bed now.

he certainly looked humiliated, especially when that master of humour and timing, read out from the little red book

doubt he will last the week

mwpt

Moby wrote: »

This commentary explains all:-
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/25/george-osbornes-spending-review-our-writers-verdict

Sorry, I lived in a very poor country for several years. I know what real poverty looks like. I just can't quite bring myself to feel the gut wrenching amounts of grief that the left would have from me for minor cuts to a pretty generous social service, providing a quality of life that is far above what most of the world could ever dream of. The amount of venom the left generates in this country (my adopted country btw) leaves me completely dumbfounded at times.

dktreesea

CLAPTON wrote: »

why are you so rude about an obviously successful school.

In Scotland 10% gaining 5 or more highers is the worst end of the results and points to a failing, rather than a successful school. I'm just saying that even in failing schools it is still possible to do well.