Penalty Points

Car_54

Nothing has changed.

Endorsements are live (for totting) for three years.

They stay on your record for four years.

The rehab period for fines (and hence most motoring convictions) is five years, and for imprisonment is longer. See https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/216089/rehabilitation-offenders.pdf

neilmcl

Rover_Driver wrote: »

The other way round, they are valid for 3 years from the date of the offence, but stay on your licence record for 4 years.

And they have been for as long as I can remember.

System

[quote=[Deleted User];69281654]Nothing has changed.

Endorsements are live (for totting) for three years.

They stay on your record for four years.

The rehab period for fines (and hence most motoring convictions) is five years, and for imprisonment is longer. See https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/216089/rehabilitation-offenders.pdf[/QUOTE]
Incorrect. The rehab for fines was changed in March 2014 to one year.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/299916/rehabilitation-of-offenders-guidance.pdf
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/new-guidance-on-the-rehabilitation-of-offenders-act-1974

Car_54

!!!!!! wrote: »

Incorrect. The rehab for fines was changed in March 2014 to one year.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/299916/rehabilitation-of-offenders-guidance.pdf
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/new-guidance-on-the-rehabilitation-of-offenders-act-1974

You're right. But the same document goes on to say

"An endorsement for a road traffic offence listed in Schedule 2 to the Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988, imposed either by the court or by means of a fixed penalty notice (FPN) is a sentence for the purposes of the 1974 Act and may become spent after 5 years (or two and half years where the offender is under 18)."

So the insurers are still able to ask for endorsements within five years.

System

As I said, I was wrong (post #11). However each part has its own rehab period and its the longest part wins

Fine: 1 year
Endorsement: 5 years
Penalty Points: 3 years

So the 5 years for the endorsement is the ruling rehab period. As you never (to the best of my knowledge) get penalty points without an endorsement the the 3 years is moot anyway.

Is it possible to get a fine for a motoring offence without points or endorsement?

Car_54

!!!!!! wrote: »

As I said, I was wrong (post #11). However each part has its own rehab period and its the longest part wins

Fine: 1 year
Endorsement: 5 years
Penalty Points: 3 years

So the 5 years for the endorsement is the ruling rehab period. As you never (to the best of my knowledge) get penalty points without an endorsement the the 3 years is moot anyway.

Is it possible to get a fine for a motoring offence without points or endorsement?

An endorsement is simply a record of the points: you can't have one without the other.

You can indeed be fined without points, e.g. for MOT or seat belt offences.

Aretnap

!!!!!! wrote: »

As I said, I was wrong (post #11). However each part has its own rehab period and its the longest part wins

Fine: 1 year
Endorsement: 5 years
Penalty Points: 3 years

So the 5 years for the endorsement is the ruling rehab period. As you never (to the best of my knowledge) get penalty points without an endorsement the the 3 years is moot anyway.

It's potentially relevant if the offender is under 18 at the time of the conviction. If so the rehab period for the fine and endorsement are halved - so only 2.5 years for the endorsement. If the points themselves have a rehab period of as long as they remain active for (which potentially they do, though AFAIK there is no definitive case law on that point) then it's the 3 years for the points which determines the rehabilitation period for the offence as a whole.

Is it possible to get a fine for a motoring offence without points or endorsement?

yes, there are many offences which carry a fine but no endorsement or points, eg no seatbelt, no MOT, driving with defective bulbs, failure to comply with a blue direction arrow (but not a no entry sign) etc. By and large insurers are only interested in the endorseable ones.