Finished Work Pragramme

Nada666

xapprenticex wrote: »

got a couple questions.

1: how long are you on workprogramme for?
2: once off, do you ever go back on, like from a different provider?

Two years.

You usually get put on full-time work fare for six months - not immediately but you will if you don't sort yourself out. And when on work fare you will also be on enhanced job search and will be expected to apply for everything during your evenings (not just six random jobs a fortnight).

(ETA: before the six months of work fare there will be a one month stint).

Nada666

donnajunkie wrote: »

do you think a person would not avoid doing a bad thing if they could?

Yes. But your definition of 'bad thing' is not 'decent'. Being a jobsworth can mean you are fair. The chances of what you want exceptions for being reasonable or fair or decent is close to zero.

emilywalker

I've just had my 2nd appointment with JC and I've now been put onto another programme Seetec, it's called community work placements, anyone done this, any info would be gratefull.

tomtontom

emilywalker wrote: »

I've just had my 2nd appointment with JC and I've now been put onto another programme Seetec, it's called community work placements, anyone done this, any info would be gratefull.

The CWP is described here:

Nada666 wrote: »

Two years.

You usually get put on full-time work fare for six months - not immediately but you will if you don't sort yourself out. And when on work fare you will also be on enhanced job search and will be expected to apply for everything during your evenings (not just six random jobs a fortnight).

(ETA: before the six months of work fare there will be a one month stint).

So basically a 30 hour work placement plus intensive job search.

emilywalker

so basically they send you somewhere to work, and help with jobsearch, I was told that I will only have to do the hours that were agreed with my advisor, 9.30 - 2.30

donnajunkie

Nada666 wrote: »

Yes. But your definition of 'bad thing' is not 'decent'. Being a jobsworth can mean you are fair. The chances of what you want exceptions for being reasonable or fair or decent is close to zero.

being a jobsworth is hiding behind the rules and just saying sorry those are the rules i cant do anything about it when actually they could. also for example i learnt today at my local jobcentre certain advisers are telling people that they must allow access to their ujm account. this is a lie. they dont have to say this because it is not true. people dont have to allow access. those advisers are not being decent.

BlueEyedGirl

emilywalker wrote: »

so basically they send you somewhere to work, and help with jobsearch, I was told that I will only have to do the hours that were agreed with my advisor, 9.30 - 2.30

It will be good work experience which may eventually lead to paid employment and life off JSA!

Flyonthewall

donnajunkie wrote: »

being a jobsworth is hiding behind the rules and just saying sorry those are the rules i cant do anything about it when actually they could. also for example i learnt today at my local jobcentre certain advisers are telling people that they must allow access to their ujm account. this is a lie. they dont have to say this because it is not true. people dont have to allow access. those advisers are not being decent.

The chances are someone higher up has told the advisors that.

Either way advisors are just that...advisors. They're not all clued up on the law. Most don't realise it is against the data protection act. They're told accessing the accounts is the easiest way for them to do their job and to tell people to give them permission/how to allow them access. They won't all realise they can't actually force it.

Some advisors will know better. Most are just wanting to make their job easier. It has nothing to do with being decent.

donnajunkie

Flyonthewall wrote: »

The chances are someone higher up has told the advisors that.

Either way advisors are just that...advisors. They're not all clued up on the law. Most don't realise it is against the data protection act. They're told accessing the accounts is the easiest way for them to do their job and to tell people to give them permission/how to allow them access. They won't all realise they can't actually force it.

Some advisors will know better. Most are just wanting to make their job easier. It has nothing to do with being decent.

If they don't know you can perhaps forgive that. Trying to make their job easier isn't an excuse though.

Flyonthewall

donnajunkie wrote: »

If they don't know you can perhaps forgive that. Trying to make their job easier isn't an excuse though.

No excuse, they shouldn't lie, but you can't really blame them for wanting things to be easier. Who wouldn't want their job to be easier, especially if you don't know of any reason why you shouldn't do/say something?

It's silly to keep doing things the hard way if you think there's an genuine easier way.

Really it's a few clicks vs handing over a piece of paper for them to look through. However, I think they really do believe it makes things easier for them.