TV License dilemma

Kurtis_Blue

ChiefGrasscutter wrote: »

Not exactly:
The offense is for receiving "as it is broadcast Television signal" onto any device without a licence.
This might be a TV or a video recorder.
It could equally be a computer which is receiving a direct "as it is broadcast" video stream on line.
There is no offense for being in possession of such a device capable of doing these things. The offense is in the actual receiving of the broadcasts.
The legislation is worded this way as virtually 100% of us have items that COULD receive an "as it is transmitted TV broadcast".

Why do you think this, and feel so strongly that it is correct that you would publicly post it? I genuinely cannot fathom it after all the actual legislation is very clear and easy to understand.

As taken from the Act The offence is:

"Licence required for use of TV receiver

(1)A television receiver must not be installed or used unless the installation and use of the receiver is authorised by a licence under this Part.
(2)A person who installs or uses a television receiver in contravention of subsection (1) is guilty of an offence."

ToriP

just pay it, it's only about £140ish

Marktheshark

None of this argument is relevant if she has signed the TVL178 form.
It is a signed confession that she was watching TV without a licence in the presence of a witness.

The buy a licence and you wont have to go to court nets the inspector another £15 in commission on top of the TVL178 commission.

Once that gets signed and counter signatory, it always ends up in a court, the argument last about 10 seconds.
"Is this your signature, bang hammer down, next. "

cajef

ChiefGrasscutter wrote: »

Not exactly:
The offense is for receiving "as it is broadcast Television signal" onto any device without a licence.
This might be a TV or a video recorder.
It could equally be a computer which is receiving a direct "as it is broadcast" video stream on line.
There is no offense for being in possession of such a device capable of doing these things. The offense is in the actual receiving of the broadcasts.

Agreed as has been explained many times on these forums, reading the Gov.UK TV licence website, it specifically states that you only need one to watch live broadcasts and explains when you do not need a licence.

https://www.gov.uk/tv-licence

Kurtis_Blue

It doesn't specifically state that you only require one if you watch or record live TV.

If you believe it does please show me where.

Because the link you provided just says you need on if you watch or record live TV, then states to goto the TV licencing webpage to find out if you need one for your personal situation. It even clearly states on the link you provided you need one for: "any other device that can receive a TV signal"
The TV licencing webpage then refers to the communications act.

The legislation is on line in its entirety and is very clear.

Just because people keep saying the wrong thing over and over doesn't make it correct it just gets more people into problems.

b33r

Unfortunately Kurtis it is you who has it wrong, have a read of this for a news article on the subject. Also have a read of the "Is a TV Licence required to own a television set?" section from the TV licensing website here.

Kurtis_Blue

b33r wrote: »

Unfortunately Kurtis it is you who has it wrong, have a read of this for a news article on the subject. Also have a read of the "Is a TV Licence required to own a television set?" section from the TV licensing website here.

C'mon. Is this a joke now?

The very first line in you link states:
"A TV Licence is a legal permission to install or use television receiving equipment "

The part that you specifically sent me to states:

"Part 4 of the Communications Act 2003 sets out the requirement for a TV Licence. Section 363 makes it an offence to
install or use a television receiver or
possess or have control of a television receiver with the intent to install or use it or
possess or have control of a television receiver and know or have reasonable grounds for believing that another person intends to install or use it without a valid TV Licence issued under the Communications Act."

My bolds.

b33r

You are conveniently leaving out the second part of the sentance everytime you post that though:

A TV Licence is a legal permission to install or use television receiving equipment (e.g. TVs, computers, laptops, tablets, mobile phones, games consoles, digital boxes and DVD/VHS recorders) to watch or record television programmes, as they are being shown on TV

My bold

Kurtis_Blue

b33r wrote: »

You are conveniently leaving out the second part of the sentance everytime you post that though:

A TV Licence is a legal permission to install or use television receiving equipment (e.g. TVs, computers, laptops, tablets, mobile phones, games consoles, digital boxes and DVD/VHS recorders) to watch or record television programmes, as they are being shown on TV

My bold

The legislation doesnt actually make that distinction but, lets pretend it does.
Whats your point?
the OP had a TV installed and connected to a live Sky stb.

Kurtis_Blue

HappyMJ wrote: »

That's very selective quoting to prove your point. Keep reading and it says "to watch or record television programmes, as they are being shown on TV."

Maybe becuase that is my exact point?

You cannot install a TV to receive live broadcast then claim you were not actually watching, the installation alone is enough.