looking to get a hybrid

scaredofdebt

BeenThroughItAll wrote: »

I pay 167 a month for 10.5K miles. Excess mileage 6p/mile.


If an extra 1000 miles only costs me £60, I'll take that. Still ~100MPG equivalent cost.

Thanks, very interesting. I pay £200 a month for fuel so this looks very attractive, even with the 6p a mile surcharge.

almillar

Exactly. I've been paying around £140 for fuel so it made sense for me. My deal is for 7,500 miles. The deals aren't as good as the one I got now, but you pay battery rental based on the miles you'll do, and the number of years you're renting for. As well as this mileage limit you'll have the usual PCP mileage limit - which should be the same.
This page shows examples (there are others, but 7,500 is the lowest annual mileage) of the rental - look for the ZE Flex table. There's an option for 750 miles per quarter or something but it doesn't seem good value to me.
https://www.renault.co.uk/vehicles/new-vehicles/zoe/battery-and-charging.html

scaredofdebt

I'm going to book a test drive and then see the look on the salesman's face when I tell him I do 30k a year!

See what deal they can do, or even if they're willing to for that mileage.

gzoom

almillar wrote: »

Regeneration is great - but it's no different to how I drive my petrol manual - it emulates engine braking. Therefore when I move from petrol to electric, I should theoretically put the same wear on the brakes. With electric cars generally being heavier, I definitely think it's wrong to say the brakes don't get used as much. There's no engine braking on an auto though, so you could argue less use there.

Which EV are you currently driving? On the Leaf if you select 'B' mode the brake-regen in much more than engine braking, unless you shift into 2nd gear on purpose as you come off the throttle.

I can nearly single pedal my Leaf in traffic, so I actually hardly have to use the friction brakes.

captainawsome

gzoom wrote: »

Which EV are you currently driving? On the Leaf if you select 'B' mode the brake-regen in much more than engine braking, unless you shift into 2nd gear on purpose as you come off the throttle.

I can nearly single pedal my Leaf in traffic, so I actually hardly have to use the friction brakes.

Totally agree. I have drove an i3 12 miles through rush hour traffic, including a city centre without once touching the brake. Regenerative braking is nothing at all like engine braking in a petrol car, you can actually STOP the car quite sharpish just by removing your foot from the throttle.

bigjl

gzoom wrote: »

I cannot wait for the Tesla test-drive, I think it's the P85D version they have on tour, I asked for the 70D or 85S as those are the ones I can actually afford....But I'm not turning down the chance to drive a car that can do 0-60 in a little over 3 seconds

Regarding the hybrid economy I agree, but if driven carefully you can get some stupid mpg reading. This was after a 250 mile trip from Leicester to London with about 50 miles of it stuck on the car park that is the A406 at rush hour.....There's no way our old Civic would have got anything over 50mpg in similar conditions.




Sadly this seem to be quite common with the Zoe. Seems strange because you have to struggle to find a single horror story about the Leaf......Cannot wait till Alfa has a go at one of these things :rotfl:

Yes good economy on a longer is possible on a Hybrid of you drive them in the correct way, I read about one hyper milling technique called pulse and glide which helps.

almillar

Which EV are you currently driving?

Waiting for a Zoe to arrive in November. My Dad is also waiting for a Leaf, and I've driven both.
Yes, Leaf is more 'geeky' and gives you more control and information about what's going on with the vehicle, and Zoe tries its best to be like a conventional car, without all the confusing buttons and readouts.
The Zoe gives you no control over regeneration, other than the accelerator and brake pedal.
So on your Leaf, selecting 'B' mode is like slowing down in a maual car at high revs, agressive engine braking.

I can nearly single pedal my Leaf in traffic

Yes, this is exactly my point - I already pretty much 'single pedal' (OK, plus the clutch!) in my petrol manual car. Fuel efficiency, looking ahead and adapting to the conditions isn't unique to EVs.

Regenerative braking is nothing at all like engine braking in a petrol car, you can actually STOP the car quite sharpish just by removing your foot from the throttle.

Disagree - I would say that it's very much the same, (connecting the motor to the road - it's exactlythe same!) except for that last bit where you have to hit the clutch. What you've experienced on the i3 also doesn't necessarily translate across all EVs - they all deal with regen differently.