looking to get a hybrid

gzoom

ChiefGrasscutter wrote: »

Well I'm real glad for you that the running costs are less than that of a Fiesta.
Can you now tell us all the purchase cost of it?

Nissan PCP deal.

£0 deposit - Yes really £0 upfront. I walked into the show-room and walked out with a brand new car without having to pay a single £!!....It was a bizarre feeling.

£200/month (including battery rental) for 24 months.

At the end of the 24 months I hand the car back - I've decided I'm getting a £50K Tesla Model S next, so that will be bit of a shock to the bank account after 2 years of really cheap motoring.

Your struggle to get a like for like NEW petrol/diesel car at those kind of costs.

If you want to buy used, a 2 year old Leaf can now be had for £10K - which is similar to a Fiesta.

The battery is good for 100K.

http://nissaninsider.co.uk/busy-wizzy-hits-100000-mile-landmark/

A Fiesta will use £10K worth of fuel in 100K, plus regular oil changes.

A Leaf will use £2600 worth of electricity to cover the same distance, there are NO fluids/filters to change till about 150K.

You can work out the cost savings for your self

csgohan4

Don't forget you don't need to pay Dealership prices for a new car. Use car broker websites which are significantly cheaper. You can also use the manufacturer's offers on PCP, I am using the toyota 0% interest free at the moment for the auris.

For an Auris Icon basic model, I am paying about 4k less than RRP and no need the hassle of haggling and begging.

almillar

there are NO fluids/filters to change till about 150K.

There's still brake fluid, coolant (yes, there's still a radiator on a Zoe) and maybe power steering fluid and air con - do all of these really remain untouched for 150k miles?

BeenThroughItAll

almillar wrote: »

There's still brake fluid, coolant (yes, there's still a radiator on a Zoe) and maybe power steering fluid and air con - do all of these really remain untouched for 150k miles?

Zoe service schedule says brake fluid at 2 years, coolant at 4yrs.

gzoom

almillar wrote: »

There's still brake fluid, coolant (yes, there's still a radiator on a Zoe) and maybe power steering fluid and air con - do all of these really remain untouched for 150k miles?

Brake fluid is recommended to be changed every couple of year (£40 max), but actually if driven normally 70-80% of my braking I do in the Leaf is now done via the motor regenerating electricity. So you could even argue the brakes are doing not much - but clearly you wouldn't skimp on this important safety item.

Compared to any ICE the EV drivetrain really is very very simple, and maintenance free.

What I do find interesting is Tesla's stance on servicing, according to their documentation you can should be able to not touch any of the drivetrain in the a model S for the duration of its 8 year, unlimited miles warranty :eek:....If you believe it or not is a different matter

Richard53

gzoom wrote: »

Brake fluid is recommended to be changed every couple of year (£40 max), but actually if driven normally 70-80% of my braking I do in the Leaf is now done via the motor regenerating electricity. So you could even argue the brakes are doing not much - but clearly you wouldn't skimp on this important safety item.

Brake fluid is recommended to be changed every two years on most cars because it deteriorates as it absorbs atmospheric moisture. It doesn't 'wear out' or get 'used up' by braking. So the two year recommendation stands, no matter how much or how little the brakes are used.

scaredofdebt

If you are looking to buy a car purely on economics, then EVs/Hybrids cannot compete on overall cost compared to petrol/diesel engined cars.

Depreciation costs are simply too high, even for second hand models. I have done a lot of research into this as a large chunk of my money goes on car related expenses.

Give it 5 years and this may change.

almillar

but actually if driven normally 70-80% of my braking I do in the Leaf is now done via the motor regenerating electricity

Regeneration is great - but it's no different to how I drive my petrol manual - it emulates engine braking. Therefore when I move from petrol to electric, I should theoretically put the same wear on the brakes. With electric cars generally being heavier, I definitely think it's wrong to say the brakes don't get used as much. There's no engine braking on an auto though, so you could argue less use there.

So are you saying, gzoom, that you're going to do 75,000 miles in a year to get 150,000 before your 2 year brake fluid change?!

scaredofdebt - How about this - Renault Zoe - £200 deposit, £151 per month for 24 months. Insurance is £140 per year for me. No VED and no fuel costs using public chargers. £3.20 ish to fully charge at home (on the included charger).
I'll be handing it back at the end of the term. Were you aware of these deals from Renault in your research?

scaredofdebt

almillar wrote: »

scaredofdebt - How about this - Renault Zoe - £200 deposit, £151 per month for 24 months. Insurance is £140 per year for me. No VED and no fuel costs using public chargers. £3.20 ish to fully charge at home (on the included charger).
I'll be handing it back at the end of the term. Were you aware of these deals from Renault in your research?

I suspect they limit the mileage on that, how many miles can you cover and what's the charge for additional miles?

But yes, decent deal for a new car.

BeenThroughItAll

scaredofdebt wrote: »

I suspect they limit the mileage on that, how many miles can you cover and what's the charge for additional miles?

But yes, decent deal for a new car.

I pay 167 a month for 10.5K miles. Excess mileage 6p/mile.


If an extra 1000 miles only costs me £60, I'll take that. Still ~100MPG equivalent cost.