DBS check and working with children.

BlueEyedGirl

MataNui wrote: »

It WILL show on the DBS report. I can 100% guarantee that. In general if you fail to disclose something during an interview or on your application and it shows up on the DBS you can be asked to leave instantly.

Given that you will need to volunteer the information upfront and explain what it will show (harassment of your own family) and you are looking at volunteering in your daughters school would you give yourself the position? I sure as hell wouldnt.

Mitigation simply wont come into it. I am not saying i dont believe you (a lot of us have had some pretty bad experiences during break ups) but look at it cold and logically. You have a conviction for harassing your ex and child and now you are applying to work in your childs school.

If you are honest and tell them upfront about the conviction you wont get the position. If you try to conceal it when they get the DBS check you wont get the position. Also if that happens and the ex finds out then she may make another complaint and it could be jail time as that would likely be seen as continued harassment.

The Enhanced DBS won't show who he harassed, certainly not names of those harassed. That's up to him to declare who it was if he is asked. It will only show a conviction / caution and a date. If he wanted he could make up a story, although not a wise idea.

MataNui

BlueEyedGirl wrote: »

The Enhanced DBS won't show who he harassed, certainly not names of those harassed. That's up to him to declare who it was if he is asked. It will only show a conviction / caution and a date. If he wanted he could make up a story, although not a wise idea.

If you read the post fully you will see the bit that i state the details of the conviction is when he volunteers the information. I know exactly what is on these things

He has 2 options:
1. Say nothing an wait for the check. It will show a conviction. They will tell him to go away since he failed to disclose a conviction when asked.
2. He will tell them about the conviction on the application/interview. They are entitled to ask him the detail. He can always refuse but then they will tell him to go away anyway. Or he can tell them the full story and they will also tell him to go away because to them it will look like he is continuing the harassment.

There is no way he gets what he wants here. There is no possible positive outcome for him. On the other hand he could find his current access revoked or land himself in jail.

Its not just ' not a wise idea'. Thats close to the understatement of the century. Its a monumentally stupid idea.

BlueEyedGirl

MataNui wrote: »

If you read the post fully you will see the bit that i state the details of the conviction is when he volunteers the information. I know exactly what is on these things

He has 2 options:
1. Say nothing an wait for the check. It will show a conviction. They will tell him to go away since he failed to disclose a conviction when asked.
2. He will tell them about the conviction on the application/interview. They are entitled to ask him the detail. He can always refuse but then they will tell him to go away anyway. Or he can tell them the full story and they will also tell him to go away because to them it will look like he is continuing the harassment.

There is no way he gets what he wants here. There is no possible positive outcome for him. On the other hand he could find his current access revoked or land himself in jail.

Its not just ' not a wise idea'. Thats close to the understatement of the century. Its a monumentally stupid idea.

I know what is on them as well, I have several both from my voluntary job working with vulnerable adults and from my time at university as a Student Mental Health Nurse.

I declared my caution - which was given to me for supposedly hitting a child, when I actually pushed them into a fence. I admitted the offence because others saw me do it. As it was a first offence I was given a caution. The fact that there was good reasoning behind my actions did not stop me getting a job in the voluntary sector nor did it stop me gaining entry into university. For university I had to write a statement about why I did what I did and include if there was mitigating circumstances surrounding my reasons - there was plenty!

Just because the OP has, a conviction does not mean every job he applies for whether voluntary or paid are going to turn him down because of his past. Or should we not give people a second chance?

wilbo1974

MataNui wrote: »

It WILL show on the DBS report. I can 100% guarantee that. In general if you fail to disclose something during an interview or on your application and it shows up on the DBS you can be asked to leave instantly.

Given that you will need to volunteer the information upfront and explain what it will show (harassment of your own family) and you are looking at volunteering in your daughters school would you give yourself the position? I sure as hell wouldnt.

Mitigation simply wont come into it. I am not saying i dont believe you (a lot of us have had some pretty bad experiences during break ups) but look at it cold and logically. You have a conviction for harassing your ex and child and now you are applying to work in your childs school.

If you are honest and tell them upfront about the conviction you wont get the position. If you try to conceal it when they get the DBS check you wont get the position. Also if that happens and the ex finds out then she may make another complaint and it could be jail time as that would likely be seen as continued harassment.

The conviction was for harassing my wife in relation to access to my daughter. I wasn't convicted of harassing my daughter.
Like I said in the original post the relationship with the mother is amicable, but the marraige is over.
Talk of prison time is not relevant to this.

wilbo1974

In the position of a headteacher or someone else responsible for children, even if I decided to overlook the conviction, I would be allocating voluntary work that did not involve frequent contact with your own child. Because that would involve an unhealthy overreliance on a parent, and that is the case no matter the childs mental or physical state - all children need to learn and interact with people who are not their parents to encourage greater independence. To say nothing of the school or club needing to manage allegations of favouritism. Volunteering or working in any capacity in your own childs school or club is about volunteering for everyone and in whatever role they need - not volunteering to be with your child

BlueEyedGirl wrote: »

I know what is on them as well, I have several both from my voluntary job working with vulnerable adults and from my time at university as a Student Mental Health Nurse.

I declared my caution - which was given to me for supposedly hitting a child, when I actually pushed them into a fence. I admitted the offence because others saw me do it. As it was a first offence I was given a caution. The fact that there was good reasoning behind my actions did not stop me getting a job in the voluntary sector nor did it stop me gaining entry into university. For university I had to write a statement about why I did what I did and include if there was mitigating circumstances surrounding my reasons - there was plenty!

Just because the OP has, a conviction does not mean every job he applies for whether voluntary or paid are going to turn him down because of his past. Or should we not give people a second chance?

Great news. If it was OK for you I think it will be for me as well.
It seems you get to types of reply on here. The first offers pointless opinion and the other offers advice from experiance. Experience means someone has done it before whereas opinion is like an A hole, everyone has one.

BlueEyedGirl

wilbo1974 wrote: »

Great news. If it was OK for you I think it will be for me as well.
It seems you get to types of reply on here. The first offers pointless opinion and the other offers advice from experiance. Experience means someone has done it before whereas opinion is like an A hole, everyone has one.

I can only wish you luck in your venture!