Ian Duncan Smith to change ESA - WCA, so people moved off Esa !

gemmaking

Ian Duncan Smith is to make more changes to the WCA for ESA, so that it will be a tougher to claim ESA.

Full story here:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/iain-duncan-smith-calls-for-urgent-esa-overhaul-as-part-of-drive-to-cut-down-welfare-costs-10468503.html


When are these changes likely to be announced to the public ?

and when will they be put into action (ie, when will the new forms with these new WCA questions) be introduced? (as it takes time for these changes correct?)

and can a group of oppositions (eg online petitioners) oppose these changes, if the numbers are large enough?


and I take it that Fake claimant advertising that happened recently will have no effect on him halting the above changes.

colin13

are we surprised,,unfortunatley scammers will still get throug system,,,and ill people will get knocked off esa

cliffandsue

But you must admit that there are claimants that do Permitted Work whilst claiming ESA. Then there must be others that can but don't (won't) for one reason or another.

Indie_Kid

cliffandsue wrote: »

But you must admit that there are claimants that do Permitted Work whilst claiming ESA. Then there must be others that can but don't (won't) for one reason or another.

eh? Your comment makes no sense at all.

rogerblack

Indie_Kid wrote: »

eh? Your comment makes no sense at all.

Check the posters other post, It makes it pretty clear who it is.
Making no sense is quite usual.

[Deleted User]

these are only proposals atm,with a wafer thin majority if a few tories object they will be binned

rogerblack

woodbine wrote: »

these are only proposals atm,with a wafer thin majority if a few tories object they will be binned

Like the massive revolution that occured and prevented the removal of the work-related component for new claims of ESA, and those where there is a change of circumstances.

Yeah - that had no hope of getting through.

Confuseddot

rogerblack wrote: »

Like the massive revolution that occured and prevented the removal of the work-related component for new claims of ESA, and those where there is a change of circumstances.

Yeah - that had no hope of getting through.

Sorry are you being sarky ? I thought the removal of the component had gone through ? Very confused :rotfl:

CKhalvashi

colin13 wrote: »

are we surprised,,unfortunatley scammers will still get throug system,,,and ill people will get knocked off esa

Unfortunately this is the way many things work.

I've made my views on benefits clear several times, and think that whilst the system needs to be tightened up generally, those that are geuninely too ill to work/are temporarily unemployed and looking should be looked after.

We seem to be heading for a system where this won't happen......

markmarkmark

Confuseddot wrote: »

Sorry are you being sarky ?

Yes he is, the point being people said exactly the same thing about that not getting through parliament. Whatever Labour say they silently agree with IDS since think voting against will lose them support in the current climate of welfare bashing, and seen to be soft on scroungers, their "supposed" core vote. Always remember they introduced Atos and ESA etc.

The irony is the "loony" leftie Corbyn is probably the only politician who would actually genuinely speak up for the disadvantaged, and he is the one no one believes his policies would not be a disaster.

rogerblack

markmarkmark wrote: »

Yes he is, the point being people said exactly the same thing about that not getting through parliament. Whatever Labour say they silently agree with IDS since think voting against will lose them support in the current climate of welfare bashing, and seen to be soft on scroungers, their "supposed" core vote. Always remember they introduced Atos and ESA etc.

ESA - in principle - combined with the Work related health assessment - which was designed to be after you've been found unfit for work, and provide you support tailored to you - would have been a great boon - done right.

This regrettably rapidly got scrapped, as it was hard to do.

'Work related activity' turned into what belatedly became feeding ESA claimants into the same process as JSA claimants, with little changes in the activities available, and not informing the providers of the health issues, or ensuring they are able to cope with them.
I am not perhaps reading the mainstream media as much as I should - I don't remember any significant public outcry at all over removal of the WRAG component.

The notion that there will be a massive public outcry over changes to the assessment aimed at 'helping people into work', 'making sure people don't languish on benefit', 'making sure there are no perverse disincentives to work', 'helping the most disabled more' seems barking mad.
The overly cynical might say that this can be helped by getting a couple of charities onboard by changes that formally exempt sufferers of certain conditions that in practice always get ESA anyway.
For example 'deaf-blind people exempt from having to go through...' is a much easier headline than explaining in detail the changes that will disadvantage some.

Especially given that the slow drip of stories by the DWP, and very highly selectively released statistics in ways that have been condemned by the statistics agency to convince the daily mail reader that everyone on benefit is a scrounger.