Why do some cyclists use the entire lane, use fog horns, and flashing lights?????????

Marco_Panettone

trinidadone wrote: »

Dont know what to say without repeating the same thing

Well, are you all still there? What happened?

trinidadone

wealdroam wrote: »

So you don't know how long the delay was, and you don't know how the issue was resolved?

If that's the case, it really is ok to say so.

you have edited the response provided. To be fair, i can answer how i choose on here, but even though i did not resceive a response to my question, i will answer yours though, as you seem curious. i left the van, as the driver and cyclist got into one, and started to argue on who was right, speace, blar blar. The cyclist placed his bike in the middle of the road, and approacked the driver, cars behind continued to use their horn, i could not be ask.

almillar

This sounds nasty. I don't drive so only an idea, but might it help to put hazard lights on in that situation? So the folks behind know you're not just on a go slow.

No - hazard lights are only allowed to be used when stationary.
If the drivers behind can't judge speed/distance they shouldn't be driving.

Marco_Panettone

trinidadone wrote: »

you have edited the response provided. To be fair, i can answer how i choose on here, but even though i did not resceive a response to my question, i will answer yours though, as you seem curious. i left the van, as the driver and cyclist got into one, and started to argue on who was right, speace, blar blar. The cyclist placed his bike in the middle of the road, and approacked the driver, cars behind continued to use their horn, i could not be ask.

So there was space to open the door?


What should've happened is what I said earlier - van driver should've slowed right down and moved over slightly (even if just to show that you're trying to give the rider as much space as possible). The rider should've slowed right down and moved over too, then there would not even have been an issue.


However, the driver should've moved first, otherwise the rider will think "the bloke in the van is just driving really fast at me" which clearly doesn't feel safe to them for obvious reasons.


How would you have acted if you were on the bike in the same situation?

wealdroam

trinidadone wrote: »

you have edited the response provided.

Excuse me?
I have quoted you post in its entirety.

Marco_Panettone

trinidadone wrote: »

I dont think drivers will agree to a retesting every five years, I do not have an answer. I feel initiatives are often.

Returning back to the primary and secondary cycle positioning, i will admit, i have not gigested all the links posted on here, far to many to look through, i prefer to read postings. I was in a friends white transit van on a one way street. It allows cyclists to come up the oppersite way. The road has cars on both sides of the road, and is narrow (its impossible for another car to overtake, so effectively a one lane track - you following?). a cycle comes up quite fast in primary position, the van screeches to a halt, the van can not move anyway. Should the cyclist move to the side? is the cyclist in cycling head on with transit? again confusion????? One thing is for sure, I know who will come out worse!!!

Marco_Panettone wrote: »

People not agreeing to something doesn't mean it's a bad thing. How else do you ensure EVERYONE is up to date with how they should behave, or expect others to behave?


When cars are parked someone on a bike should be in the centre - it keeps them safe if someone opens a car door. You just do the same as you would if it was a car - both should slow down a lot and move over slightly. What do you think should happen?

Your original question, and my first response highlighted. Both unedited.

prowla

brat wrote: »

How do you indicate?
http://hwc.jordancook.net/highway-code/rule-60.html

Yes, I knew that one would appear in someone's response.

prowla

nigglenoo wrote: »

It has already been explained that flashing lights on cycles have been legal for a decade, but if you want to know more read this page: http://www.ctc.org.uk/cyclists-library/regulations/lighting-regulations and as for keeping to the left, here is what the HC actually says for cyclists: https://www.gov.uk/rules-for-cyclists-59-to-82 -see anything about a special 'keep left' rule for cycling?

Hope that helps ;-)

Indeed - the first line of the cyclist section of the HC linked above states that these are in addition to the other rules of the road.

The later supplementary Annexe states:

"Flashing lights are permitted but it is recommended that cyclists who are riding in areas without street lighting use a steady front lamp.".

It certainly is education to read the HC, in its entirety, and not just cherry-pick the items you choose.

In particular, the cyclist section makes it clear that the following rule applies to cyclists too:

160 Once moving you should

• keep to the left, unless road signs or markings indicate otherwise. The exceptions are when you want to overtake, turn right or pass parked vehicles or pedestrians in the road

It's quite clear.

Stating that only the rules in the cyclists section apply is incorrect.

brat

prowla wrote: »

Yes, I knew that one would appear in someone's response.

But you know more than you did at the start of the day, which is good, isn't it?

brat

prowla wrote: »

Indeed - the first line of the cyclist section of the HC linked above states that these are in addition to the other rules of the road.

The later supplementary Annexe states:

"Flashing lights are permitted but it is recommended that cyclists who are riding in areas without street lighting use a steady front lamp.".

It certainly is education to read the HC, in its entirety, and not just cherry-pick the items you choose.

You brought the topic up. You thought that only emergency vehicles could use flashing lights, which wasn't correct on many levels. The HC and the RVL regs make that quite clear.

prowla wrote: »

In particular, the cyclist section makes it clear that the following rule applies to cyclists too:

160 Once moving you should

• keep to the left, unless road signs or markings indicate otherwise. The exceptions are when you want to overtake, turn right or pass parked vehicles or pedestrians in the road

It's quite clear.

Stating that only the rules in the cyclists section apply is incorrect.

When you are in your car, what do you do to keep to the left? What is your position within your lane? Is it to the left of the lane, or the centre of the lane, or the right of the lane? I'd suggest that most people drive in the centre, perhaps slightly towards the right of their lane. Are they wrong? Or do you think that only cyclists should be consigned to the left hand side of their lane as per your interpretation of Rule 160?