Corbynomics: A Dystopia

Shakethedisease

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Jeremy sent a Facebook message around today reminding everyone not to descend to the level of personal insults, and to oppose all forms of cyber bullying.

He is a nice chap.

If only the swivel eyed, saucer mouthed, ranting right wingers, trumpeting discord from their Tory owned news outlets, would be as decent.

Or the appalling Scot Nat cyber psychos.

All a complete shower, the lot of them.

Aww that's nice. But it won't make a blind bit of difference. Because 99.9% of Corbyn supporters will be perfectly reasonable nice people online when engaged in debate. But the odd nutter comment will be used extensively, widely and in front page news if needed.. in order to paint the whole lot as 'Corbynista cyber nutters'. As you so wonderfully exemplify re the pro-indy people.

You're verging on being one yourself actually. If you replace 'Cybernats' with 'Vile Corbynista Trotskyite nutters'. Best just to say nothing online really if you don't want accused of extremism or 'cult tendencies'. Is safer that way...

"I'm being trolled by Cybernats" ... Translation: "What I am reporting as absolute fact is being challenged online." #CyberDictionary

C'est la vie.

cells

mwpt wrote: »

"He aims to boost growth and prosperity" ... but how exactly? We're told by the left that austerity (really, not borrowing too much) is bad for economic growth but they never actually come up with a real answer for the alternative. I guess the one answer is MOAR DEBT? Fake it if you can't make it?

In his shoes I would go into a GE with something like

£10ph min wage (or equivalent in 2020 money)

House building to 400,000 units which would create lots of jobs and economic activity and taxes

Quota for car manufacturing so that by value at least 80% of UK car demand is manufactured here (that doesn't mean we need to make 80% of the cars we buy in the UK it could mean we need to on average export at least 8 cars for 10 imported)

Sell off all the council/HA homes in London as they become available and use the approx £15B a year from that to hire 300,000 people to turn London into the worlds capital city. Build ten new tube lines with a hundred new stations. Move Heathrow to Boris island. Build a few vanity skyscrapers. Regenerate all the boroughs. Pave the streets with gold.

Shakethedisease

cells wrote: »

In his shoes I would go into a GE with something like

£10ph min wage (or equivalent in 2020 money)

House building to 400,000 units which would create lots of jobs and economic activity and taxes

Quota for car manufacturing so that by value at least 80% of UK car demand is manufactured here (that doesn't mean we need to make 80% of the cars we buy in the UK it could mean we need to on average export at least 8 cars for 10 imported)

Sell off all the council/HA homes in London as they become available and use the approx £15B a year from that to hire 300,000 people to turn London into the worlds capital city. Build ten new tube lines with a hundred new stations. Move Heathrow to Boris island. Build a few vanity skyscrapers. Regenerate all the boroughs. Pave the streets with gold.

It's a bit 'London centric' perhaps ? London is already Labour leaning. For a General Election, Corbyn needs to concentrate his attention elsewhere.

ruggedtoast

Generali wrote: »

Mass nationalisations of entire industries are proposed and that's not a move to the left? !!!!!! would be do you think.

As for Mr Corbyn being 'nice', I honestly don't care how 'nice' my politicians are. They need to lead and run an effective Government. Whether or not they bring my Mum a nice cup of tea each morning is neither here nor there.

And now you're accusing Jeremy of interfering with your mum.

Anyway, nationalised industries aren't especially radical. All our utilities were nationalised for a long time. Many of them on the continent are nationalised now.

I would rather travel on a cheap reliable French train than a useless privatised British one, where you need a small mortgage to travel at peak hours.

cells

Shakethedisease wrote: »

It's a bit 'London centric' perhaps ? London is already Labour leaning. For a General Election, Corbyn needs to concentrate his attention elsewhere.

Selling the council homes in London and using those funds to do stuff in London makes sense as they sell for a high price and using the funds elsewhere wouldn't be justified

The benefits of hiring 300,000 to do all that work would be felt across the nation not least the taxes paid resulting in less cuts or more gov spending elsewhere or shock maybe even tax cuts for the lower paid

ruggedtoast

CLAPTON wrote: »

did that nice decent caring gentle chap have a specific message for the victims of the IRA killers ?
although some of the victims were conservatives I believe others were not.

Is that basically just going to be it from you from now on?

Even by your standards this is stretching your straw man inference. Corbyn is some kind of IRA General, and anyone who supports him is a terrorist.

Is that actually your argument, that you are just going to repeat ad infinitum? Every single time you see a Corbyn discussion?

You really don't have anything else to offer?

ruggedtoast

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Aww that's nice. But it won't make a blind bit of difference. Because 99.9% of Corbyn supporters will be perfectly reasonable nice people online when engaged in debate. But the odd nutter comment will be used extensively, widely and in front page news if needed.. in order to paint the whole lot as 'Corbynista cyber nutters'. As you so wonderfully exemplify re the pro-indy people.

You're verging on being one yourself actually. If you replace 'Cybernats' with 'Vile Corbynista Trotskyite nutters'. Best just to say nothing online really if you don't want accused of extremism or 'cult tendencies'. Is safer that way...

C'est la vie.

You can't say the cyber nats are the 'odd nutter'. They have their own website, run by someone who seems to think he's part of some kind of Internet clergy, based from that hotbed of Scottish freedom fighting, Bath.

And their own nutty newspaper. Admittedly even at 50p it is barely reaching 0.3% of the Scottish population. But it still all points to a nutty bag of nuts. Rather like the forum hpc.co.uk.

http://www.thedrum.com/news/2015/01/27/nationals-circulation-slumps-below-20000-issues-publisher-predicts-general-election

Jeremy on the other hand would rather do without the support of rampaging extremists who are mean to other people, even if it means he doesn't win.

What a gent.

ruggedtoast

.string. wrote: »

What tosh. The move to the very left is plain for all to see. Twaddle.

I'm glad you have outed that well known fifth columnist for Marxism,
David Blanchflower.

The facts are, that Corbynomics have a firm round base that everyone can grab ahold of.

The only thing Jeremy needs to do now is reassure the middle classes that Labour is no longer the party for benefit blaggers, and return to the mantra of a fair days pay for a fair days work, and he will be reeling in Tory voters. Especially as they continue to realise what a mess Osbornes spending cuts are making of public services.

cells

ruggedtoast wrote: »

I'm glad you have outed that well known fifth columnist for Marxism,
David Blanchflower.

The facts are, that Corbynomics have a firm round base that everyone can grab ahold of.

The only thing Jeremy needs to do now is reassure the middle classes that Labour is no longer the party for benefit blaggers, and return to the mantra of a fair days pay for a fair days work, and he will be reeling in Tory voters. Especially as they continue to realise what a mess Osbornes spending cuts are making of public services.

They got to get away from calling it tory austerity

Most families will have budgets and will have to make do with only what they can afford. They have to implement austerity daily. To suggest its not needed is an insults to any family which itself had to cut spending at some point in their life.

I can just imagine a kid saying to his dad why do we need to put up with your austerity. Enough to make an ex coal miner vote Tory

Generali

C'mon, you're not an idiot ruggedtoast. A return to nationalised industries is clearly a huge step to the left. Any proposal that it's anything else is just silly.

Unless that's yet another promise that Mr Corbyn has binned.