Corbynomics: A Dystopia

Graham_Devon

CLAPTON wrote: »

yes indeed, he could have apologised before it became a political embarrassment which might have indicated it was honest

Would anyone have taken any notice of any apology he made 3 months back? 10 years back?

Hell, I hadn't even heard of him until a week ago.

Not going to make any friends stating this, but all this stuff about a tie not being done up properly, the wrong colour suit and part of a sentence of what someone said 20 years ago is all looking a slight bit desperate. I dread the day Corbyns shoelace works it's way undone and we have 3 days of front page spreads on it.

One thing I did notice on Question Time last night is that all the telegraph bloke and the tory MP could do was attack Corbyn (and labour now in general). Yet McDonnel made not one single attack....on anyone. The tory MP looked like a pedulent child at times. It was clear she was making things up at times in her attacks, having to be corrected several times.

Thrugelmir

CLAPTON wrote: »

yes indeed, he could have apologised before it became a political embarrassment which might have indicated it was honest


in any event he didn't withdraw his support for the IRA killings, but rather regretted the 'offence ' that was caused : a huge difference.

What's changed. Today's news.

Newry shootings: Three arrests after men shot in legs

The three men, aged 20, 27 and 31, were arrested on suspicion of kidnapping, attempted murder and possession of a firearm. They are currently assisting police with their enquiries.

Doesn't even make the UK news anymore.

Fella

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Would anyone have taken any notice of any apology he made 3 months back? 10 years back?

If he'd apologised then it would have been noticed now.

And of course an apology should be motivated by actual remorse, not by political opportunism. Therefore it shouldn't have mattered to him if anyone noticed.

Graham_Devon

Fella wrote: »

If he'd apologised then it would have been noticed now.

And of course an apology should be motivated by actual remorse, not by political opportunism. Therefore it shouldn't have mattered to him if anyone noticed.

But being honest with ourselves for a minute, this was long forgotten history. You say he's only apologised now due to political opportunism, but that's not really the case. This historical stuff has been hunted down by the media and presented to him. The opportunity you talk about has been forced upon him.

Seems to me it's a situation of a rock and a hard place. Apologise and be accused of opportunism, don't apologise and be accused of being a terrorist sympathiser.

CLAPTON

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Would anyone have taken any notice of any apology he made 3 months back? 10 years back?

Hell, I hadn't even heard of him until a week ago.

Not going to make any friends stating this, but all this stuff about a tie not being done up properly, the wrong colour suit and part of a sentence of what someone said 20 years ago is all looking a slight bit desperate. I dread the day Corbyns shoelace works it's way undone and we have 3 days of front page spreads on it.

One thing I did notice on Question Time last night is that all the telegraph bloke and the tory MP could do was attack Corbyn (and labour now in general). Yet McDonnel made not one single attack....on anyone. The tory MP looked like a pedulent child at times. It was clear she was making things up in the hope that no one corrects her.

The issue is does he still support the IRA killings?
His actual words 12 years ago simply gave expression to his long term support for the IRA killers.


His false 'apology' simply said say he was sorry for the 'offence' caused and NOT that he was wrong to support the killings.


If he had genuine remorse I'm sure he could have apologised to the victims and their families long before now : clearly a political apology.


I will take the charitable view that you are simply ignorant of the facts rather than you are be a fellow traveller and apologist for these vile people.

Graham_Devon

CLAPTON wrote: »

The issue is does he still support the IRA killings?
His actual words 12 years ago simply gave expression to his long term support for the IRA killers.


His false 'apology' simply said say he was sorry for the 'offence' caused and NOT that he was wrong to support the killings.

He made specific references, including a policy which he had taken part in writing to stop killings.

He did mention the exact policy which is still in place today, but I can't remember the name.

I don't really know this man. I don't support or oppose him. However, all I seem to be seeing is loads of attacks on him and an insistence of loading words into a persons mouth.

When said person responds, it's written off, usually with some kind of strawman argument as a reasoning.

To suggest after everything he has stated, specifically on question time that he "supports killing" is just truly absurd.

I note though that I cannot question this without you suggesting I myself am now an apologist for the IRA.

Says it's all really. Stupid arguments being had by very stupid people.

CLAPTON

Graham_Devon wrote: »

He made specific references, including a policy which he had taken part in writing to stop killings.

He did mention the exact policy which is still in place today, but I can't remember the name.

I don't really know this man. I don't support or oppose him. However, all I seem to be seeing is loads of attacks on him and an insistence of loading words into a persons mouth.

When said person responds, it's written off, usually with some kind of strawman argument as a reasoning.

To suggest after everything he has stated, specifically on question time that he "supports killing" is just truly absurd.

I note though that I cannot question this without you suggesting I myself am now an apologist for the IRA.

Says it's all really. Stupid arguments being had by very stupid people.

Mcdonnell:

It had been widely reported that at a London memorial to IRA hunger striker Bobby Sands McDonnell had said: “It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle.
"It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA.”

Somerset

CLAPTON wrote: »

His false 'apology' simply said say he was sorry for the 'offence' caused and NOT that he was wrong to support the killings.

I saw QT and heard his explanation. That he 'cozied up' to the IRA and that the language was inappropriate (now) but only because of the !!!!-licking necessary because he was desperate to save the peace process which was in danger of being de-railed.


This is a genuine question. Exactly what role did he (and Corbyn) have in the peace process ? Were they involved ? A conduit ? Negotiating behind the scenes ? With all the media spotlighting going on, I haven't read anywhere what these two actually did to keep the process going, which is surprising.


If as I suspect, the answer is nothing, then his 'explanation' is crap. So a serious question - were they involved in the peace process or not ?

cepheus

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cepheus

Somerset wrote: »

I saw QT and heard his explanation. That he 'cozied up' to the IRA and that the language was inappropriate (now) but only because of the !!!!-licking necessary because he was desperate to save the peace process which was in danger of being de-railed.

This is a genuine question. Exactly what role did he (and Corbyn) have in the peace process ? Were they involved ? A conduit ? Negotiating behind the scenes ? With all the media spotlighting going on, I haven't read anywhere what these two actually did to keep the process going, which is surprising.

If as I suspect, the answer is nothing, then his 'explanation' is crap. So a serious question - were they involved in the peace process or not ?