Corbynomics: A Dystopia

setmefree2

Cakeguts wrote: »

If you don't believe me have a think about how someone with two serious mental illnesses would get from the Labour manifesto. There wouldn't have been any spare money left for them.

This is so true. Plenty there for the middle classes though - in rebates for student tuition fees.

Which is why the middle classes voted Labour 2 weeks ago and the working classes voted Tory.

Does the working class need to ask for its Labour Party back?

The more working class voters there were in a constituency in 2017, the more it tended to swing to the Tories.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2017/06/does-working-class-need-ask-its-labour-party-back

Jeremy Corbyn has Britain’s youngsters and middle class to thank for ‘tsunami of support’ – polling guru says

The pollster believes voters had been attracted by Labour’s promise to scrap tuition fees as well as it's hints of delivering a ‘softer’ Brexit

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3846101/jeremy-corbyn-has-britains-youngsters-and-middle-class-to-thank-for-tsunami-of-support-polling-guru-says/

The political landscape is changing. In the last General Election, the Conservatives won their largest proportion of working class voters since 1979, while Labour won their largest proportion of middle class voters, according to analysis by Ipsos Mori,

https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/labour-tory-voters-look-like-changing/

Labour's populism for the middle classes

Jeremy Corbyn has consolidated a bourgeois capture of the party begun by Tony Blair.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2017/06/labours-populism-middle-classes

Face it, Labour: you are now a painfully middle-class party

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/01/face-labour-now-painfully-middle-class-party/

TrickyTree83

setmefree2 wrote: »

Oh yes it did. Labour lost. 5 more years for the Tories.

The communists always think they're right, the people who tried it before just did it wrong.

Muppets.

setmefree2

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

The communists always think they're right, the people who tried it before just did it wrong.

Muppets.

Labour supporters seem quite happy to lose -except John McDonnell - weird.

Fella

https://order-order.com/2017/06/22/crazy-corbynistas-claim-corbyn-pm/

LauraW10

It is also the culmination of a transformation in Labour that has been under way for many years. Corbyn has solidified a bourgeois capture of the party begun by Tony Blair. Public-school Stalinists and Debrett’s-pedigreed Trotskyites have long been familiar figures in the upper reaches of the left, just as they are today. What is new is Corbyn’s marriage of radical leftist ideology with a systematic appeal to middle-class interests. Nowhere is this better expressed than in Labour’s manifesto promise to abolish student tuition fees (which would cost the country as much as £12bn) and reintroduce maintenance grants, while declining to unfreeze welfare benefits on the grounds that reversing Tory cuts would be (as Emily Thornberry put it in May) “unaffordable”. Rather than addressing the desperate lack of opportunities for working-class children, who may never make it to university, Labour has successfully courted the middle-class youth vote.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2017/06/labours-populism-middle-classes

setmefree2

Cakeguts wrote: »

The Labour slogan said something like "For the many not the few."

Such a dumb slogan which the Tories could have easily attacked - since "the few" are Doctors, Head Teachers, Police & Fire Chiefs, etc - why does the Labour Party want to make these workers poorer ???

Why does the LP think doctors should earn less?

Why do labour voters think their doctors should earn less?

Filo25

setmefree2 wrote: »

Oh yes it did. Labour lost. 5 more years for the Tories.

The only way I can see this parliament lasting 5 years is if the polls look pretty desperate for the Tories throughout.

Fella

setmefree2 wrote: »

Such a dumb slogan which the Tories could have easily attacked - since "the few" are Doctors, Head Teachers, Police & Fire Chiefs, etc - why does the Labour Party want to make these workers poorer ???

Why does the LP think doctors should earn less?

Why do labour voters think their doctors should earn less?

Labour ran an awful campaign & one of the huge errors people have made subsequently is that somehow it was good.

Leaving aside for a moment the fact that obviously they lost, & basically got the same amount of votes far-left candidates always get, it's clear that their "improvement" was nothing like as much as some people think for the simple reason that the early polls were clearly out of line. Their supporters showed their disapproval of Corbyn by giving Labour a kicking in the polls, by-elections & local elections. But when it came to the real deal there is no way most die-hard labour supporters were ever going to vote Tory. Failing to understand that was probably the Tories biggest mistake.

That aside Labour's manifesto was nothing more than a series of bribes. Their costing document was basically full of lies & depended on nobody actually questioning it (they were given an extremely easy ride by the BBC etc on this). Almost everytime one of their "leadership team" appeared on TV they showed themselves up as not even knowing their own brief. McDonnell was deemed so repugnant they presumably kept him chained in his kennel throughout the campaign. Basically a total mess.

Hopefully both Labour & their supporters will reject the thinking above & campaign exactly the same next time round. If they do then they'll get hammered much worse. Particularly as Corbyn wouldn't get a free pass from the media next time & might actually be expected to produce costings & explanations that could stand up to some proper scrutiny.

Conrad

Just wanted to mention that the Democrats just lost Georgia having thrown everything at it.


But, but British progressives assured me Trump was highly unpopular;


http://www.npr.org/2017/06/21/533794088/what-the-democratic-loss-in-georgia-means-for-the-midterms

Filo25

Fella wrote: »

Labour ran an awful campaign & one of the huge errors people have made subsequently is that somehow it was good.

Leaving aside for a moment the fact that obviously they lost, & basically got the same amount of votes far-left candidates always get, it's clear that their "improvement" was nothing like as much as some people think for the simple reason that the early polls were clearly out of line. Their supporters showed their disapproval of Corbyn by giving Labour a kicking in the polls, by-elections & local elections. But when it came to the real deal there is no way most die-hard labour supporters were ever going to vote Tory. Failing to understand that was probably the Tories biggest mistake.

That aside Labour's manifesto was nothing more than a series of bribes. Their costing document was basically full of lies & depended on nobody actually questioning it (they were given an extremely easy ride by the BBC etc on this). Almost everytime one of their "leadership team" appeared on TV they showed themselves up as not even knowing their own brief. McDonnell was deemed so repugnant they presumably kept him chained in his kennel throughout the campaign. Basically a total mess.

Hopefully both Labour & their supporters will reject the thinking above & campaign exactly the same next time round. If they do then they'll get hammered much worse. Particularly as Corbyn wouldn't get a free pass from the media next time & might actually be expected to produce costings & explanations that could stand up to some proper scrutiny.

I'm no fan of Corbyn (to put it mildly) but while I thought the Labour campaign had some serious issues, it was undoubtedly better than the Tory one.

The Tory campaign was probably the worst one I can recall for a major political party in the UK, to throw away the kind of lead they had at the start of the campaign and end up without an overall majority is utterly embarrassing.

I will agree that the Labour front bench is largely a mess but honestly is the current incarnation of the Tory front bench much more memorable for positive reasons from the campaign which we have just had.

Nonsense like the vote on Fox Hunting was such a ridiculous own goal I could barely believe it, and then we got on to the manifesto shambles followed by the U-turn which wasn't a U-turn shambles,

Labour should clearly have been vulnerable on the costing of their promises, but the Tories never really made it stick in the way they should have, it probably didn't help that the IFS was equally scathing about their manifesto, and it was ridiculously short on detail and actual numbers.

Both parties are a mess at present, in the end I voted Labour this time around, largely because IDS is my local MP and I would dearly love to see him out, bizarrely from being a safe Tory seat this now looks like a semi-marginal as well. That shouldn't be confused with any enthusiasm for the current Labour leadership or the platform they stood on, though.