Corbynomics: A Dystopia

Moby

Fella wrote: »

Alas General Moby would promise to move his army to every task. When stuff started failing all over the place he'd tax everybody (not just the rich, that wouldn't raise much) to do it. When THAT didn't work he'd blame outside influences (a la Brown and the Global crash). Then finally we'd be Venezuela.

Not the Venezuela meme now....every cliche in the book. The world is changing,austerity has had it's day and brexit is going to look a lot different....suck it up.

Moby

westernpromise wrote: »

I made no such assumption. I simply invited Labour voters to consider whether they would rather everyone were equally poor than everyone being twice as well off with some being even more well off than that.

Anyone who'd be genuinely happier to be poor as long as everyone else is just as poor has a mental problem.

So have at it. Would you rather have £1 like everyone else or £2 like most people except the bloke who has £100?

A few weeks ago you thought May was going to be all powerful and socialism was crushed forever. You and the other tory types were gloating day after day after day on this thread about the existential threat to the Labour Party, how UKIP was going to take the Labour vote up North etc and the Tories rule in the South.
I always said Labour could come back in a two party system. I was right you were wrong

You were all wrong and shocked by the election. Didn't turn out as expected did it! You went of to sulk for a few days and are now back coming out with the same old bigoted nonsense. This time it's different though, Labour are more united, your 'orrible tories are divided and are being smeared with the effects of austerity on peoples lives. Winds of change....much sooner than even I thought!

Fella

Moby wrote: »

Not the Venezuela meme now....every cliche in the book. The world is changing,austerity has had it's day and brexit is going to look a lot different....suck it up.

Calling something a meme is one of the pitiful Cobynista ways of trying to stop people pointing out some of his very many faults & flaws.

It's not a "meme", it's a fact. He was lavish in his praise of a hopeless socialist leader who brought total ruin to his country. A perfect illustration of what would happen if Corbyn got in.

March 2013, Corbyn on Twitter:
"Thanks Hugo Chavez for showing that the poor matter and wealth can be shared. He made massive contributions to Venezuela & a very wide world"

May 2017, article on CityAM

http://www.cityam.com/264174/jeremy-corbyns-beloved-venezuela-sinking-further-into

The definition of a fanatic is someone who doesn’t let the facts get in the way of their theories. By this standard, hapless, gormless Jeremy Corbyn is truly (if serenely) living in another galaxy.

With any sort of remotely competent leadership, Venezuela ought to be one of the wealthiest countries in the world, as it possesses the planet’s largest known oil reserves. So economic illiterates Chavez and his even more clueless successor as President Nicolas Maduro have form, as wrecking such a paradise has taken real talent. When Chavez and his Bolivarian revolution took power in 1998, Venezuela was indeed one of the richest countries in Latin America; now it is one of the poorest.

What does this mean practically? Presently there are shortages of medicine and food staples, a direct result of the government’s policies. The inflation rate in 2016 has been estimated at a stratospheric 800 per cent, with output falling by a precipitous 18.6 per cent last year, after a mere 180 per cent rate of inflation and a 5.7 per cent contraction in 2015. Simply put, due to economic negligence, the place is falling apart at the seams.

Fella

Moby wrote: »

I always said Labour could come back in a two party system. I was right you were wrong

You do realise Labour lost yeah? Even less seats than the hopeless Kinnock managed. A thorough beating. If that's your definition of being right you set yourself a pretty low standard.

The facts are May ran possibly the worst campaign known to man & still stuffed Corbyn by nearly 50 seats. A chimp with a bowler hat could probably have done better for Labour.

Moby

Fella wrote: »

Calling something a meme is one of the pitiful Cobynista ways of trying to stop people pointing out some of his very many faults & flaws.

It's not a "meme", it's a fact. He was lavish in his praise of a hopeless socialist leader who brought total ruin to his country. A perfect illustration of what would happen if Corbyn got in.

March 2013, Corbyn on Twitter:
"Thanks Hugo Chavez for showing that the poor matter and wealth can be shared. He made massive contributions to Venezuela & a very wide world"

May 2017, article on CityAM

http://www.cityam.com/264174/jeremy-corbyns-beloved-venezuela-sinking-further-into

The definition of a fanatic is someone who doesn’t let the facts get in the way of their theories. By this standard, hapless, gormless Jeremy Corbyn is truly (if serenely) living in another galaxy.

With any sort of remotely competent leadership, Venezuela ought to be one of the wealthiest countries in the world, as it possesses the planet’s largest known oil reserves. So economic illiterates Chavez and his even more clueless successor as President Nicolas Maduro have form, as wrecking such a paradise has taken real talent. When Chavez and his Bolivarian revolution took power in 1998, Venezuela was indeed one of the richest countries in Latin America; now it is one of the poorest.

What does this mean practically? Presently there are shortages of medicine and food staples, a direct result of the government’s policies. The inflation rate in 2016 has been estimated at a stratospheric 800 per cent, with output falling by a precipitous 18.6 per cent last year, after a mere 180 per cent rate of inflation and a 5.7 per cent contraction in 2015. Simply put, due to economic negligence, the place is falling apart at the seams.

Desperate stuff Fella...you take one quote and throw it back at him. What about all the predictions you've got wrong over the last few months on here:rotfl:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-embarrassing-air-meltdown-10662968
Something to listen to then you and Western promise can do the walk of shame....but I'll allow you to keep your clothes on in the interests of decency;)

Moby

Fella wrote: »

You do realise Labour lost yeah? Even less seats than the hopeless Kinnock managed. A thorough beating. If that's your definition of being right you set yourself a pretty low standard.

The facts are May ran possibly the worst campaign known to man & still stuffed Corbyn by nearly 50 seats. A chimp with a bowler hat could probably have done better for Labour.

You are convincing no one least of all all those glum tory benches today. One more heave!

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/06/queens-speech-shows-extent-jeremy-corbyns-victory

Fella

Moby wrote: »

What about all the predictions you've got wrong over the last few months on here

List some examples.

Fella

Moby wrote: »

You are convincing no one least of all all those glum tory benches today. One more heave!

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/06/queens-speech-shows-extent-jeremy-corbyns-victory

You might not understand, but I don't need to convince your or anybody that Corbyn lost. He lost. Say it as much as you like, you got a thorough beating.

Apparently this McDonnell fellow understands you lost btw:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/21/john-mcdonnell-urges-day-rage-protesters-follow-gandhis-example/

"Mr McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, was asked on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme if he would concede that Labour had lost and he replied: “Yes and I am bitterly disappointed that we did so"

I guess you think you know more than him :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Cakeguts

I am watching Corbyn with interest simply because he reminds me of a relative. As he lost the election for Labour what he should do now is to resign an let someone else see if they can do any better. As I said he reminds me of a relative and that tells me that he won't resign. They will have terrible time trying to get rid of him. I would expect him to hang on as long as possible surround himself with supporters, not accept any form of criticism, or any ideas that are different to the ones he holds. Will use anything to get publicity even if it means being photographed with people who have just escaped from a really bad fire. No visits in private for him he will need to have the press there ready to take photographs of him with the victims.

It should have been a really easy Labour win at the last election but he lost so it is time for him to hand over to someone who can do better but I don't think he will.

I have no idea how he thinks that anyone will go about seizing what are probably mostly holiday homes in London? Is he expecting to rehouse the private tenants and flat owners from Grenfell tower as well in someone's seized holiday home? What I find interesting is how you find out which luxury flats are vacant without going into them? You can't exactly look through a window to see if there is any furniture in a 3rd floor flat. He is one of the "rich" why hasn't he paid more in tax than he needs to if he thinks that is what rich people should be doing? The poorer tax payers are paying for his salary and his pensions. Of course "rich tax" doesn't apply to him does it?

What really annoyed me though was this continous thing about "the poor." Then he wanted to give everyone free child care. The poor are not families with children. The poor are single disabled people who can't work and survive on benefits. They are often invisible because they live with their parents long aftet the time that most people have stopped doing it. They often can't have the choices that most of the population can have. They often can't have children, or cars, or own houses or go on holiday. The single disabled poor do not have the choices that many other people have. Having children is a choice. They often don't have that choice so what was in the Labout manifesto to help them? More supported housing? More housing for young single disabled? No! Free child care and free university fees. Nothing at all for the poor. The Labour slogan said something like "For the many not the few." Which I interpret as for the many able bodied people who can have children and cars and get benefits to pay for housing etc and not the few single disabled who basically have nothing. There was nothing at all for them.

If you don't believe me have a think about how someone with two serious mental illnesses would get from the Labour manifesto. There wouldn't have been any spare money left for them.

setmefree2

Moby wrote: »

You were all wrong and shocked by the election. Didn't turn out as expected did it! You went of to sulk for a few days and are now back coming out with the same old bigoted nonsense. This time it's different though, Labour are more united, your 'orrible tories are divided and are being smeared with the effects of austerity on peoples lives. Winds of change....much sooner than even I thought!

Oh yes it did. Labour lost. 5 more years for the Tories.