Corbynomics: A Dystopia

StevieJ

Labour are being pincered, or in other words they have fallen between the cracks. Forty eight % voted to stay in the EU, Labour don't appear to represent them (I being one of those). Fifty two % voted to leave, Labour don't appear to represent them. I am not sure who they are batting for now?

Filo25

StevieJ wrote: »

Labour are being pincered, or in other words they have fallen between the cracks. Forty eight % voted to stay in the EU, Labour don't appear to represent them (I being one of those). Fifty two % voted to leave, Labour don't appear to represent them. I am not sure who they are batting for now?

Absolutely.

They could probably get away with this if they were extremely popular on other issues and well led, but that is far from the case.

If they don't make radical changes soon, oblivion awaits.

Moby

westernpromise wrote: »

The great thing about Yeremiy is that he says out loud what much of the Labour Party actually thinks. It's not that Labour sincerely agrees that wrecking the country a la Venezuela is genuinely a bad thing. They just get, mostly, that saying so loses elections. So you say something different, and then once in power, you drop the mask, go ahead and wreck the country.

As such, even after he's gone Khorbiyn's going to provide a huge amount of ammunition for the Tories. Let's face it, as ex-Labour leader, he's not going to shut up, is he? He'll keep popping up in the press and on TV, damaging Labour by voicing stupid evil opinions that the Tories will accurately identify as indicative of what Labour actually thinks and intends because 61% of the party voted for him. Who can forget Neil Kinnock on the TV as the 2015 election unfolded, scolding the voters for stupidly and wickedly not voting Labour, just as he did in 1987 and 1992? That'll be Khorbiyn, only far more damaging.

It took Labour 15 years even to come up with an electable leader last time. But even then, Blair wasn't a Labouroid who had genuinely repented. He was just a pious, sanctimonious yet wholly unprincipled egomaniac who had worked out that there was a franchise for a centre-left party that appeared not to hate the middle classes, and that he could be its leader. So that was the space he occupied. Had there been a franchise for a Jew-hating Marxist party, he'd have turned Labour into that, which is what Khorbiyn is now managing to do. There is no such franchise, as Labour's 24% poll scores show, but there isn't a space in the centre either, because the Tories are all over it. So this time I reckon Labour is looking at a long, long time in the wilderness - thank God.

Hate filled drivel. Why didn't you just say 'I hate the Labour Party'....less words and less tiresome!

Moby

I think the right wingers are far too gloating and the left wingers far too gloomy. Things change, they always do............our system favours a two party system. Labour will probably be the beneficiaries when the public get sick of the tories and the consequences of brexit haven't kicked in yet. Wait for all those price rises to kick in once the 20% drop of the value in the £ works through....anyone see Dispatches last night! Weren't the tories down to 165 seats in '97...........they came back....it took 13 years......it'll probably take longer than that for Labour but there is never a permanent same party govmt in the UK......sooner or later things change.....the first will be for Labour to get rid of Corbyn of course.

Filo25

Moby wrote: »

I think the right wingers are far too gloating and the left wingers far too gloomy. Things change, they always do............our system favours a two party system. Labour will probably be the beneficiaries when the public get sick of the tories and the consequences of brexit haven't kicked in yet. Wait for all those price rises to kick in once the 20% drop of the value in the £ works through....anyone see Dispatches last night! Weren't the tories down to 165 seats in '97...........they came back....it took 13 years......it'll probably take longer than that for Labour but there is never a permanent same party govmt in the UK......sooner or later things change.....the first will be for Labour to get rid of Corbyn of course.

The bigger problem for Labour is getting rid of a fair proportion of its relatively recent membership intake, as long as they are there, Corbyn is only likely to be replaced with someone from that wing of the party if he can ever be induced to leave.

As long as the Corbynites are in power I don't think there is anything inevitable in a Labour recovery, certainly the polling trend is continuing downwards at present, and as unpopular as Labour are becoming, Corbyn is less popular still, so that particular trend might not have run its course yet.

If there are serious issues as a result of Brexit the LibDems are much better placed to benefit than Labour are.

If Brexit goes well its only going to benefit the Tories.

Moby

Filo25 wrote: »

The bigger problem for Labour is getting rid of a fair proportion of its relatively recent membership intake, as long as they are there, Corbyn is only likely to be replaced with someone from that wing of the party if he can ever be induced to leave.

The internal battle is over the number of MP's required to nominate a leadership bid. Corbyn's crew are trying to change the rules....they are being strongly opposed by the rest of the PLP. Many think Corbyn is hanging on to see that change through. Hopefully he won't succeed.

As long as the Corbynites are in power I don't think there is anything inevitable in a Labour recovery, certainly the polling trend is continuing downwards at present, and as unpopular as Labour are becoming, Corbyn is less popular still, so that particular trend might not have run its course yet.

Agreed....he is an arrogant man who believes the membership should cancel out the PLP. What he has never understood is that the Labour Party is a parliamentary based party.....if he wants to crack on with doing his campaigning on the streets and in his constituency no problem.....he just needs to go and allow someone competent to lead the party...otherwise the opposition will continue to be feeble.

If there are serious issues as a result of Brexit the LibDems are much better placed to benefit than Labour are.

If Brexit goes well its only going to benefit the Tories.

Agreed........ until Labour elects a credible leader! I can't see how brexit can go well.....I mean we are becoming poorer....people will start to feel it as the prices rises kick in..........giving up tarrif free access to the biggest market on your doorstep isn't going to go well is it! Labour needs to elect a leader competent to get the message across and things will change. I always liked Andy Burham.....Chukka could do the job. Dan Jarvis has gone a bit quiet!

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davomcdave wrote: »

You can see what a great man Castro was by the huge numbers of Americans that tried to travel from Florida to Cuba on inflatable mattresses.


Some Americans seeking a better life in Cuba

Don't mock! I've heard that the Government of Cuba is seriously concerned about the emergence of a Russian client state only 90 miles from its shores.......

WR

Enterprise_1701C

This could all have been sorted if the unions did not interfere in party politics.

When they were trying to decide between Ed Minibrand and his brother David the unions forced in Ed, he then turned round and punched the unions in the face. If David had been elected then Labour would have had far more of a chance in the polls.

But then, even the unions are not what they were, they seem to consider themselves as a protest group and think their activity will force the current government out. All it is doing is forcing the government to change the rules. I really think my grandfather would be horrified by what the rail unions are up to, and although I cannot find information to prove it I was told he was the last chairman of the national union of railway signalmen.

davomcdave

StevieJ wrote: »

Labour are being pincered, or in other words they have fallen between the cracks. Forty eight % voted to stay in the EU, Labour don't appear to represent them (I being one of those). Fifty two % voted to leave, Labour don't appear to represent them. I am not sure who they are batting for now?

This is spot on IMHO.

Labour under Corbyn is neither Brexit or Remain. The single biggest political issue in the country at the moment and Labour manage to be both for Brexit in the eyes of Remainers and for Remain in the eyes of Brexiteers, !!!!!!.

The only thing that Labour seem to have to fight on is the NHS now.

mrginge

davomcdave wrote: »

This is spot on IMHO.

Labour under Corbyn is neither Brexit or Remain. The single biggest political issue in the country at the moment and Labour manage to be both for Brexit in the eyes of Remainers and for Remain in the eyes of Brexiteers, !!!!!!.

The only thing that Labour seem to have to fight on is the NHS now.

It's ironic that a court case which was meant to put the govt under scrutiny and make their life more difficult has actually had a much bigger (negative) impact on the opposition.